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> > Oh it certainly is true.
>
> Of course it's not true. Worse, it's obviously false. And as I've
> already said, I don't have a single peripheral that was built for the
> Mac (except the speakers that came with it, as I've mentioned).

That YOU don't have them, and that you've not chosen them doesn't make it
true. So please, brush up on your logic skills.

> You like "choice." That's fine, but it doesn't persuade me.

Some folks are quite comfortable in their dictated little worlds. The rest
of us like diversity.

 

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> You need to have the choice of hundreds of keyboards instead of only
> d0zens with a Mac? Get Real. I have a Microsoft Wireless Elite Keyboard
> on my G5 tower as I type this.

And you ignore what Apple charges for keyboards compared to what economies
of scale have done for the PC market and, as a result, your own keyboard.

 

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> No, it doesn't. Someone has to get the virus FIRST. It then takes
> time to turn a virus sample into a virus definition and get it into
> the distributed updates. Anti-virus companies may act quickly, but
> they will always lag behind the virus writers. And during that lag,
> some systems will get the virus.
>
> Gordon L. Burditt

Actually, it's also true that many AV programs are beginning to use
heuristics now to sniff out virii and other malware *before* they've
been manually identified. It's an approach that is way past due.

Randy S.

 

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> Nice try. Obviously never used a Mac.

Bzzzt, wrong again. I had my first 128k several months before the public
ever saw one. This also after several Lisa's. I also worked there for a
while. As the saying goes, "if you saw sausages made you'd never eat them
again". Thus my being Mac-free ever since. The facts being that the stuff
is overpriced, lacking in features I need and offering very limited
accessory options only reinforce it. I'm certainly glad some folks find
comfort using them, choice and diversity is a wonderful thing.

 

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In article <m8Cdnd1BMM4b4PPfRVn-iQ@speakeasy.net>, wkearney99
<wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > Oh it certainly is true.
> >
> > Of course it's not true. Worse, it's obviously false. And as I've
> > already said, I don't have a single peripheral that was built for the
> > Mac (except the speakers that came with it, as I've mentioned).
>
> That YOU don't have them, and that you've not chosen them doesn't make it
> true. So please, brush up on your logic skills.

No, *I* don't have them and I don't know of *anyone* who has them.
That's because such peripherals don't exist. As someone else pointed
out, what you said was largely true two or three Mac generations ago.
It's not true now, though, and it hasn't been true for a long time.

You made a statement that was wrong on its face, and you've since
wasted a couple of posts on damage control. And as for logic skills,
when was it that gratuitous insults started passing for logic?

> > You like "choice." That's fine, but it doesn't persuade me.
>
> Some folks are quite comfortable in their dictated little worlds. The rest
> of us like diversity.

I'm as impressed by your notion of "diversity" as I was by your notion
of "choice." You're welcome to both.

 

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In article <kZadnQb7UJY64PPfRVn-1g@speakeasy.net>, wkearney99
<wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > You need to have the choice of hundreds of keyboards instead of only
> > d0zens with a Mac? Get Real. I have a Microsoft Wireless Elite Keyboard
> > on my G5 tower as I type this.
>
> And you ignore what Apple charges for keyboards compared to what economies
> of scale have done for the PC market and, as a result, your own keyboard.


Didn't he just say that he uses a non-Apple keyboard? What does
Apple's pricing structure have to do with it?

What he's saying is that his non-Apple keyboard works with his G5. My
point exactly.

 

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On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 at 19:22 GMT, <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote:

> Jack Zwick (jzwick3@mindspring.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>> You'd rather have a Doom Game machine than a reliable computer?
>
> Define "reliable".

Constant use and uptime values > 365 days?

> Other than needing to reboot for some software installs, there's nothing

That's so evil, IMO. It really should be necessary to reboot except
when changing out essential chunks of the OS, or hardware.

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>>Other than needing to reboot for some software installs, there's nothing
>
>
> That's so evil, IMO. It really should be necessary to reboot except
> when changing out essential chunks of the OS, or hardware.
>

For clients, it's really not that big a deal. For servers, I absolutely
agree with you. I've noticed that MS seems to be waking up to this
quite a bit lately. I've done a few patches recently where it
instructed me to stop some service or other so that it wouldn't need to
reboot post-patch.

Randy S.

 

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> You made a statement that was wrong on its face, and you've since
> wasted a couple of posts on damage control. And as for logic skills,
> when was it that gratuitous insults started passing for logic?

Oh please, spare me your attempts at being even more arrogant than usual.

 

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In article <ytmdneTzfOfj6OzfRVn-iQ@speakeasy.net>, wkearney99
<wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > You made a statement that was wrong on its face, and you've since
> > wasted a couple of posts on damage control. And as for logic skills,
> > when was it that gratuitous insults started passing for logic?
>
> Oh please, spare me your attempts at being even more arrogant than usual.


That makes my point quite nicely. Thanks.

 

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Frater Mus (FraterMus2005@mousetrap.net) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> > Other than needing to reboot for some software installs, there's nothing
>
> That's so evil, IMO. It really should be necessary to reboot except
> when changing out essential chunks of the OS, or hardware.

Yeah, like the twice-monthly Linux kernel updates. It's impossible to
keep *any* OS patched and run it more than a few months in today's
climate.

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On 2005-04-29, Jeff Rife <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote:
> Frater Mus (FraterMus2005@mousetrap.net) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>> > Other than needing to reboot for some software installs, there's nothing
>>
>> That's so evil, IMO. It really should be necessary to reboot except
>> when changing out essential chunks of the OS, or hardware.
>
> Yeah, like the twice-monthly Linux kernel updates. It's impossible to
> keep *any* OS patched and run it more than a few months in today's
> climate.

Depends on what you're doing. I have one Linux box in production with an
uptime of 882 days. That is a bit unusual, but we have Unix machines that
are up for hundreds of days without any interruption where I work.

Just because an OS patch comes out doesn't mean you have to jump on it. I
guess that's more true in the case of Linux than Windows since with Linux,
there's more of a layer between the OS and the applications.

 

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Mike Hunt (in2sheep@yahoo.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> > Yeah, like the twice-monthly Linux kernel updates. It's impossible to
> > keep *any* OS patched and run it more than a few months in today's
> > climate.
>
> Depends on what you're doing. I have one Linux box in production with an
> uptime of 882 days. That is a bit unusual, but we have Unix machines that
> are up for hundreds of days without any interruption where I work.

Sure, you can do this, and you can do the same thing with Windows machines,
too. You just lose functionality...Linux kernel updates are usually
just this, and not using the "functionality" of having a Windows box
available to public IP addresses makes most Windows patches not important.

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wkearney99 wrote:
>>Nice try. Obviously never used a Mac.
>
> Bzzzt, wrong again. I had my first 128k several months before the public
> ever saw one. This also after several Lisa's. I also worked there for a
> while. As the saying goes, "if you saw sausages made you'd never eat them
> again". Thus my being Mac-free ever since.

So, you've never used a modern Mac.
Things have improved over the last 20 years.
-Joe

 

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In article <BeKdnVKiyYkPyu7fRVn-vQ@comcast.com>,
Joe Smith <joe@inwap.com> wrote:

> wkearney99 wrote:
> >>Nice try. Obviously never used a Mac.
> >
> > Bzzzt, wrong again. I had my first 128k several months before the public
> > ever saw one. This also after several Lisa's. I also worked there for a
> > while. As the saying goes, "if you saw sausages made you'd never eat them
> > again". Thus my being Mac-free ever since.
>
> So, you've never used a modern Mac.
> Things have improved over the last 20 years.
> -Joe

So now we know. Kearny's anti-Mac attitude is based solely on a grudge
left over from his working at Apple in the 80's.

 

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Joe Smith <joe@inwap.com> wrote in
news:BeKdnVKiyYkPyu7fRVn-vQ@comcast.com:

> wkearney99 wrote:
>>>Nice try. Obviously never used a Mac.
>>
>> Bzzzt, wrong again. I had my first 128k several months before the
>> public ever saw one. This also after several Lisa's. I also worked
>> there for a while. As the saying goes, "if you saw sausages made you'd
>> never eat them again". Thus my being Mac-free ever since.
>
> So, you've never used a modern Mac.
> Things have improved over the last 20 years.
> -Joe

Well, some things. Their marketing, however, is not one of them. I know
people who are surprised to learn Macs actually have color screens "these
days". You can either call these people idiots (which does nothing to
solve the problem and REALLY makes them love Macs all the more), or you
can take steps to correct the misunderstanding. As long as Apple insists
on coasting on ONE cool ad, now over two decades old, then people will
coast on the impression of Macs from over 20 years ago.

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In article <Xns9649B14A02C98stile@129.250.170.93>,
Howard <stile99@email.com.> wrote:

> Well, some things. Their marketing, however, is not one of them. I know
> people who are surprised to learn Macs actually have color screens "these
> days". You can either call these people idiots (which does nothing to
> solve the problem and REALLY makes them love Macs all the more), or you
> can take steps to correct the misunderstanding. As long as Apple insists
> on coasting on ONE cool ad, now over two decades old, then people will
> coast on the impression of Macs from over 20 years ago.

The 1984 ad was and is hardly their only ad, but go ahead and continue
to show your ignorance.

The more recent ad campaign is testimonials form folks that have
switched.

http/www.apple.com/switch/

 

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> The 1984 ad was and is hardly their only ad, but go ahead and continue
> to show your ignorance.
>
> The more recent ad campaign is testimonials form folks that have
> switched.
>
> http/www.apple.com/switch/

Well, I admire Apple in a lot of ways, but their current advertising
methods is not one of them. First, they're very condescending,
particularly to those of us who *know* what the differences are (though
admittedly that is likely *not* their intended market). Second, I
*can't* stand the way Apple continuously misrepresents test results to
tout their products. Sure, certain Mac models may be faster than PC's
in certain applications and vice versa. But trying to convince me that
somehow the latest/greatest Mac is *4 times* faster than any PC (I don't
think they're claiming this currently, but they did not that long ago,
maybe when the G4's or G5's first came out)? C'mon, I'm just not that
gullible, and it's obvious that they're biasing the numbers and the
tests in their favor. Sure, other companies skew numbers as well from
time to time, but Apple seems to do it consistantly.

Mac's have definite advantages in certain areas and speed advantages
doing certain things, and you may be able to show that they're speedier
overall than PC's (at times, though I think the leading edge of both are
probably fairly close), but a claim of 4x is just ridiculous and makes
me less likely to believe any other benchmark info they put out. They
ought to be pushing ease of use, design superiority and other
traditional strengths along with speed *parity*, otherwise they're just
alienating the techies who know better and provide a lot of advice to
friends and family members who are looking to buy computers.

Randy S.