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Just like Star Wars if a space craft shifted into light speed as Star Trek goes into warp in such a short time (few seconds) the entire crew would be paste on the walls of the ship...lol. It would take much longer time to build up to these fantastic speeds safely.
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[citation][nom]robochump[/nom]Just like Star Wars if a space craft shifted into light speed as Star Trek goes into warp in such a short time (few seconds) the entire crew would be paste on the walls of the ship...lol. It would take much longer time to build up to these fantastic speeds safely.[/citation]
What about inertial dampeners. They are stock on all such light-speed ships, aren't they? 😉
What about inertial dampeners. They are stock on all such light-speed ships, aren't they? 😉
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This would be totally awesome, if space-time hadn't already been falsified and the entire concept rendered as useless as the geocentric model of the cosmos! Just some actual science in a sea of hatorade, folks.
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[citation][nom]wiyosaya[/nom]What about inertial dampeners. They are stock on all such light-speed ships, aren't they?[/citation]
I love how you can hear the science officer shout "Inertial Dampeners are off line during a fire-fight"... yet the worse that happens is people are thrown around... even still, nothing happens when they warp out of the battle!
This one detail is what I would focus all my weapons on during a battle... forcing the other side to repair the critical system or die if they try to change direction or speed.
I love how you can hear the science officer shout "Inertial Dampeners are off line during a fire-fight"... yet the worse that happens is people are thrown around... even still, nothing happens when they warp out of the battle!This one detail is what I would focus all my weapons on during a battle... forcing the other side to repair the critical system or die if they try to change direction or speed.
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[citation][nom]snotling[/nom]In the same line of thought, it would be important to note that time is experienced through the perception of light reflecting on objects. traveling faster than light would accelerate some of those images and slow down some other depending on the light source but that is just perceived time, not actual time. unless the speed of light is also the speed of time, then warp speed is traveling faster than time. but it remains unproven for obvious reasons and for all we know, it may be only our ignorance of a better way to measure the speed of time passing than by the light we perceive... what of the invisible substances like dark matter that doesn't react to light? does it react to time?[/citation]
Good thoughts, although there is no such thing as actual time, b/c time is relative; it depends on the perspective of the observer. As for the images travelling faster/slower, depending upon the vector of the ship relative to the projected light images, you could get some doppler shift, but the images themselves should not speed up/slow down b/c light speed is constant, and we already know that the universe auto-corrects for this. You can drive 60 mph and shine a flashlight, the light beam won't travel at c+60, it will still travel at c, and the same occurs if you shined the light backwards away from the moving car, it will still travel at c velocity. The only problem with the FTL part for the spaceship is that we can't even make an educated guess on what it would look like b/c the math doesn't work when you try to plug in FTL speeds into special relativity. I've seen it attempted before; it was a while back but I think you end up with imaginary numbers, (imaginary in the mathematical sense) if I remember correctly. Physics is the coolest thing ever until you think up something that might be interesting and find that it can't be done; at least not in our 4 physical dimensions. If you're gonna enjoy Star Trek, you can't really try to apply too much real world logic to it b/c it takes the fun away so there must always be some suspension of disbelief and just take their word at face value. It's still interesting to analyze it, though.
Good thoughts, although there is no such thing as actual time, b/c time is relative; it depends on the perspective of the observer. As for the images travelling faster/slower, depending upon the vector of the ship relative to the projected light images, you could get some doppler shift, but the images themselves should not speed up/slow down b/c light speed is constant, and we already know that the universe auto-corrects for this. You can drive 60 mph and shine a flashlight, the light beam won't travel at c+60, it will still travel at c, and the same occurs if you shined the light backwards away from the moving car, it will still travel at c velocity. The only problem with the FTL part for the spaceship is that we can't even make an educated guess on what it would look like b/c the math doesn't work when you try to plug in FTL speeds into special relativity. I've seen it attempted before; it was a while back but I think you end up with imaginary numbers, (imaginary in the mathematical sense) if I remember correctly. Physics is the coolest thing ever until you think up something that might be interesting and find that it can't be done; at least not in our 4 physical dimensions. If you're gonna enjoy Star Trek, you can't really try to apply too much real world logic to it b/c it takes the fun away so there must always be some suspension of disbelief and just take their word at face value. It's still interesting to analyze it, though.
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@ snotling
Oh yeah, we don't know anything about dark matter; we can't even prove that it exists b/c we have no means by which to detect it. Just like dark energy, we can only theorize that it must be there. It's unlikely though, in my humble, very slightly educated opinion that it would react to time in what we consider to be the conventional sense b/c it doesn't seem to be bound by the same physics as the rest of the the known (and barely understood) universe, otherwise we could detect it, maybe take a giant melon baller out into space to get a huge scoop of it, and bring it back to study. Next they will probably come up with transparent matter to fit into someone else's attempt at a unified field theory.
Oh yeah, we don't know anything about dark matter; we can't even prove that it exists b/c we have no means by which to detect it. Just like dark energy, we can only theorize that it must be there. It's unlikely though, in my humble, very slightly educated opinion that it would react to time in what we consider to be the conventional sense b/c it doesn't seem to be bound by the same physics as the rest of the the known (and barely understood) universe, otherwise we could detect it, maybe take a giant melon baller out into space to get a huge scoop of it, and bring it back to study.
Next they will probably come up with transparent matter to fit into someone else's attempt at a unified field theory.The Trekkie nerds here totally fail to realize that the fact that they are extremely knowledgeable about Star Trek is NOT a good thing.
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[citation]the effect would be a concentrated ray with virtually uncontrollable destructive power.[/citation]
So no on the warp drive, but yes on the photon cannons
So no on the warp drive, but yes on the photon cannons
So there's is this Warp thing here, no side effects but obsolete by now ...
http
/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/2
http
/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/2
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[citation][nom]robochump[/nom]Just like Star Wars if a space craft shifted into light speed as Star Trek goes into warp in such a short time (few seconds) the entire crew would be paste on the walls of the ship...lol. It would take much longer time to build up to these fantastic speeds safely.[/citation]
You could actually use some kind of yet not invented field (similar to magnetism) to hold your particles in one place. That way you would not paste on the wall. If all your particles are pushed the opposite way of the acceleration, you should not feel anything during acceleration. I think one day cars might make use of a technology like that instead of airbags.
You could actually use some kind of yet not invented field (similar to magnetism) to hold your particles in one place. That way you would not paste on the wall. If all your particles are pushed the opposite way of the acceleration, you should not feel anything during acceleration. I think one day cars might make use of a technology like that instead of airbags.
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