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With the better Zenith receivers being praised today broadcasters MUST
be taking note of happenings in the UK also today.

First broadcasters have a business model now in the USDTV and Emmis
ventures that is complemented by a better receiver that will let the
USDTV model expand beyond cities in mountain valleys where most truck
rolls to check reception at EACH new customer at least yield new
customers a high percentage of the time.

Next broadcasters watching the latest Hearings in DC have to be relieved
and believe that Congress is not going to come down on them like a ton
of bricks if they don't hue to an HDTV uber alles business plan.

Third the incredible successful SD ventures like the Freeview model in
the UK and Berlin have by now gotten their attention. Freeview boxes
that set a record for the Christmas quarter last year matched that
record in the normally slowest first quarter at another 500,000 boxes.

But what has to have broadcasters saluting today is the affect that the
ultra successful Freeview has had on the TV market in the UK.

Freeview has forced Murdock's Sky satellite venture to offer 200 free
satellite channels in an effort to compete. All a customer has to do is
buy $181 receiver and install.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds14674.html

With HDTV not far behind

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds14675.html

Now broadcasters who for the first time in 50 years see a way out from
under their cable landlords and they have something to compare to in the
UK. If the broadcasters can put together enough spectrum in any given
market and deliver enough channels of programming and better yet maybe a
combination of free and subscription based channels they could compete
with cable and satellite. They could withhold programming instead of
selling cheap or demanding must carry.

With enough key programming removed from cable or satellite in any
market how would they survive? 20 6 MHz channels in a major market, each
doing ONE MPEG2 SD program and the rest, 15 Mbps, of SD, HD and ED
programs some free and some in a subscription service using MPEG4, VP6
or WM9. Statistically multiplexed maybe they could do 8 to 10 such
programs in SD and datacasting opportunistically. That would be160 to
200 SD programs streams in any market plus data.

With PVR capability in the receiver that number of channels can be
multiplied in effect by broadcasting content in off hours that will be
auto recorded and just add to the available content. The viewer when
looking at the content that is being broadcast also will see all the
content that is stored.

Then broadcasters withhold content from cable and satellite and we have
a horse race. There is no reason that with good receivers that a
broadcaster can have a better coverage area than cable. (especially if
they were using COFDM) But the 8-VSB ers (rhymes with BSers) claim that
they can do SFN's and on channel repeaters like COFDM so we will see. If
so they can have the best coverage.

This is what broadcasters are talking about. I expect they are getting a
little excited. Things are going their way for a change.

The question is why would anyone buy an 8-VSB receiver that will not
work with the above except to receiver the one SD channel? It is a
guaranteed doorstop. I sure wouldn't buy an integrated set now. Soon we
will start seeing receivers that will do both MPEG2 and the other codecs
mentioned. They would be what you want. In fact broadcasters may
subsidize these receivers because of the subscription service they sell
with it.

As I have said HD if at all will be part of the subscription service IMO.

Broadcasters are only obligated to do one OTA free NTSC quality program
in MPEG2. Who in their right mind thinks that our beloved broadcasters
will do any thing other than that?
 
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Bob Miller wrote:
> With the better Zenith receivers being praised today broadcasters MUST
> be taking note of happenings in the UK also today.
<snip>

I read all that and all I saw was "blaa, blaa, blaa". Bob, please
just stop posting to this group. It makes it tough for us to share
*real* information about HDTV.
 
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I wasted my time reading this post and like most of your others it has
little relivance to HDTV, this is more a slam against the cable and
sat providers. It seems there would be more appropiate place to post
this.

I'm usually not in favor of moderated newsgroup, but something needs
to be done, because this technology is fairly complex for most people
and a lot of new comers journey here to find answers to questions.
Your off topic post seem more hell bent on creating fear and
uncertanty than giving anything to this community and as others have
pointed out your views are always very one-sided and filled with you
unsubstantiated opinion.

The real damage of it is that your don't just post here, your seeking
out to spread your "wisdom" at AVSForums and other places on-line as
well. I really see you as someone trying to destroy the industry.

I don't suppose a simple request that you stop would do anygood?

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James






Bob Miller <robmx@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<UHRxc.161$Wr.126@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>...
> With the better Zenith receivers being praised today broadcasters MUST
> be taking note of happenings in the UK also today.
>
> First broadcasters have a business model now in the USDTV and Emmis
> ventures that is complemented by a better receiver that will let the
> USDTV model expand beyond cities in mountain valleys where most truck
> rolls to check reception at EACH new customer at least yield new
> customers a high percentage of the time.
>
> Next broadcasters watching the latest Hearings in DC have to be relieved
> and believe that Congress is not going to come down on them like a ton
> of bricks if they don't hue to an HDTV uber alles business plan.
>
> Third the incredible successful SD ventures like the Freeview model in
> the UK and Berlin have by now gotten their attention. Freeview boxes
> that set a record for the Christmas quarter last year matched that
> record in the normally slowest first quarter at another 500,000 boxes.
>
> But what has to have broadcasters saluting today is the affect that the
> ultra successful Freeview has had on the TV market in the UK.
>
> Freeview has forced Murdock's Sky satellite venture to offer 200 free
> satellite channels in an effort to compete. All a customer has to do is
> buy $181 receiver and install.
>
> http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds14674.html
>
> With HDTV not far behind
>
> http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds14675.html
>
> Now broadcasters who for the first time in 50 years see a way out from
> under their cable landlords and they have something to compare to in the
> UK. If the broadcasters can put together enough spectrum in any given
> market and deliver enough channels of programming and better yet maybe a
> combination of free and subscription based channels they could compete
> with cable and satellite. They could withhold programming instead of
> selling cheap or demanding must carry.
>
> With enough key programming removed from cable or satellite in any
> market how would they survive? 20 6 MHz channels in a major market, each
> doing ONE MPEG2 SD program and the rest, 15 Mbps, of SD, HD and ED
> programs some free and some in a subscription service using MPEG4, VP6
> or WM9. Statistically multiplexed maybe they could do 8 to 10 such
> programs in SD and datacasting opportunistically. That would be160 to
> 200 SD programs streams in any market plus data.
>
> With PVR capability in the receiver that number of channels can be
> multiplied in effect by broadcasting content in off hours that will be
> auto recorded and just add to the available content. The viewer when
> looking at the content that is being broadcast also will see all the
> content that is stored.
>
> Then broadcasters withhold content from cable and satellite and we have
> a horse race. There is no reason that with good receivers that a
> broadcaster can have a better coverage area than cable. (especially if
> they were using COFDM) But the 8-VSB ers (rhymes with BSers) claim that
> they can do SFN's and on channel repeaters like COFDM so we will see. If
> so they can have the best coverage.
>
> This is what broadcasters are talking about. I expect they are getting a
> little excited. Things are going their way for a change.
>
> The question is why would anyone buy an 8-VSB receiver that will not
> work with the above except to receiver the one SD channel? It is a
> guaranteed doorstop. I sure wouldn't buy an integrated set now. Soon we
> will start seeing receivers that will do both MPEG2 and the other codecs
> mentioned. They would be what you want. In fact broadcasters may
> subsidize these receivers because of the subscription service they sell
> with it.
>
> As I have said HD if at all will be part of the subscription service IMO.
>
> Broadcasters are only obligated to do one OTA free NTSC quality program
> in MPEG2. Who in their right mind thinks that our beloved broadcasters
> will do any thing other than that?
 

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