Blu-ray to Get Legal Copying

[maury73]

Just one note... I live in EU, and EU copyright laws clearly states that anyone who puchases a legal copy of CD/DVD/BD and so on has the right to make one personal use LEGAL copy for backup purposes.
So the problem it's simple: it's illegal in EU for any company/consortium/forum to prevent a legal user from making a personal use identical copy. Period.
But those companies are too much powerful and have too much money to pay attention to laws...

 

[JustPlainJef]

[citation][nom]tayb[/nom]Buy the rights? Please do not suggest that. I'm against stealing copyrighted material you don't already own but as far as I am concerned if I go out to Best Buy and purchase a brand new copy of The Dark Knight on blu-ray I have the legal right to play it back on any medium I so choose. If Warner Bros doesn't provide me with a download link in iTunes or some other service I will download it from a torrent site and accomplish the same goal. I will watch that one copy on my cell phone, on my laptop, on my desktop, in my iPod, and on my television. I will not purchase a digital copy, an iPod copy, and a hard copy. It will be a cold day in hell before I buy a movie than buy the "rights" to watch my movie on some other device. I already bought the right to do so when I swiped my Credit Card and I don't give a damn if the RIAA says otherwise. Don't get any of statements confused with you thieves downloading games/movies/software that you don't already own. Completely different.[/citation]
It's not completely different... If I buy a copy of an album from iTunes for $10, do I have the right to go into Best Buy and steal it? That's your logic.

I agree that if you purchase something, it should be yours to do with as you please, but there has to be some limitations on that as well... If I buy a DVD, does that give me right to download a BluRay copy from a torrent? No, it doesn't.

BUT I think that more movies should include additional material (let's not use "rights." I picked up Blue Harvest at Meijer last Christmas time for $4, and it included a second disc with a digital copy on it that I can transfer to my BlackBerry or my computer... If more studios started doing that, then they may get more sales...

But you also have to realize that the percentage of the population that would do that is tiny..... What reason do they have to give away content when maybe 10% of the people will use it? They are spending money they don't have to...

There's a good business model out there somewhere, and someone has to find it... What about this? You purchase a movie, you can register it with iTunes and then download a copy at the price Apple would get for it, and the studio doesn't get money again... So let's say you buy Dark Knight @ Best Buy and you can buy a copy for your iPod for $2. Does that interest you?

 

[Guest]

I'll say this. Blu-ray was supposed to be relatively scratch proof, and from what I've seen that is true. Further more, blu-ray is the standard when it comes to high def, if you cannot tell then then don't bother posting here because this is not for you. In Audio alone, you cannot download or stream anything close to it. Picture-wise you can get close to it by using the VUDU player but it takes about 6 hours to download for the HDX and the audio is only DD not lossless. So I'll take all my high end audio equipment and my high end tv and watch my high end blu-rays and not worry about copying them because I know how to put them in cases so they don't get messed up.

 

[mavroxur]

How can such a good format be tainted with so much fail?

 

[Guest]

Does anyone ever make a personal backup copy for a movie? Give me a break!

 

[thearm]

Na, I'll just stick to third party software to make copies. And download MKV's.

 

[Hanin33]

that feature was actually part of the standard since early on, just never incorporated. price still determines how well this will do and how fast, if at all, it will be taken up and i don't believe it'll be fast. verbatim recently figured out a way to make the bluray blanks cheaper to make but it will prolly be months to years before we see anything from it. i'd like to know wot the percentage of ppl in the mainstream actually own a TV capable of taking advantage of HD movies at all at this time. i don't believe it's above 20%...

 

[crockdaddy]

What is this Blu Ray everyone keeps talking about? (sarcasm implying price has in general kept me away from the tech for now)

 

[crockdaddy]

flashlv
Does anyone ever make a personal backup copy for a movie? Give me a break!

Apparently flashlv never had little kids and disney DVDs ....

 

[bunz_of_steel]

skook9 STFU you L@M3r, I agree with WheelsOfConfusion, makes good points. Buy one BJ ooops BD then buy it again .... hmmmm. Only to be able to make ONE backup up thats regulated by millionare CEO's. so for like almost $1000 I get to do this? wow how dumb.

 

[tayb]

[citation][nom]JustPlainJef[/nom]It's not completely different... If I buy a copy of an album from iTunes for $10, do I have the right to go into Best Buy and steal it? That's your logic.I agree that if you purchase something, it should be yours to do with as you please, but there has to be some limitations on that as well... If I buy a DVD, does that give me right to download a BluRay copy from a torrent? No, it doesn't.BUT I think that more movies should include additional material (let's not use "rights." I picked up Blue Harvest at Meijer last Christmas time for $4, and it included a second disc with a digital copy on it that I can transfer to my BlackBerry or my computer... If more studios started doing that, then they may get more sales...But you also have to realize that the percentage of the population that would do that is tiny..... What reason do they have to give away content when maybe 10% of the people will use it? They are spending money they don't have to...There's a good business model out there somewhere, and someone has to find it... What about this? You purchase a movie, you can register it with iTunes and then download a copy at the price Apple would get for it, and the studio doesn't get money again... So let's say you buy Dark Knight @ Best Buy and you can buy a copy for your iPod for $2. Does that interest you?[/citation]

No. My logic only applies to purchased PHYSICAL copies. Please learn to read before you respond with ridiculous similar "scenarios."

 

[anamaniac]

Viva la internet!

I don't give a damn about having a physicl copy. I dislike watching movies 2+ times.
Video games are a better buy anyways. 10+ hours for twice the cost...

 

[Guest]

No thank you.
Netflix + PC = All the terabytes of copying I can handle right now.

 

[WheelsOfConfusion]

[citation][nom]flashlv[/nom]Does anyone ever make a personal backup copy for a movie? Give me a break![/citation]
I'm not a big movie person, but the first thing I do when buying a new CD is make a lossless back-up copy and burn that to disk. Keep the originals in their cases and take the copies with me so I don't have to worry about them getting lost, stolen, or verborken.
I also don't get any of my music illegally.

 

[gorehound]

I won't buy into this tech unless I am forced into it.Here are my reasons
1.SONY the rootkit maker
2.the price of players
3.the price of discs
In the end you can do the comparison yourself and here is me:
42" plasma w/ OPPO 1080p upsampling DVD
VS. a PS3 playing bluray to my 42" plasma
the difference is not that much in quality to pay out 2-3 the amount for players/discs. looks like i am already getting a good 3/4 or more to what the bluray looks like here.
not worth the money

 

[mrbrock72]

The future is in downloading movies. Just like now with music most (legit)people download from Itunes or Amazon. The same should be available for HD movies. A physical disc is obsolete technology. Why go to the video store or wait for a netflix movie to come in the mail when you could just download it and start watching it in minutes. I have a HTPC with windows media player and the my movies addin. It is basically a movie jukebox that I have backed up all my DVDs & bluray movies too(need alot of drive space!). Much easier to access your library using the remote and start watching what you want without messing with discs. Now if only I could download the movies directly to the HTPC it would save alot of hassel! Plus the option to make another compressed copy so you can play it on your portable devices would be sweet. Yeah I know thats a pipe dream right now....sigh

 

[Guest]

first they spend millions of dollars to get some sort of encryption on those disks that they can not get copied. And a year or two later they open up a market to devices that can get the content copied (legally even).

It's pretty ironic if you ask me...

 

[descendency]

[citation][nom]JustPlainJef[/nom]It's not completely different... If I buy a copy of an album from iTunes for $10, do I have the right to go into Best Buy and steal it?[/citation]
There is a difference between owning the media and owning a disc. You should be able to do both by buying the disc, but simply buying the media doesn't entitle you to the disc. Since the disc has the media on it, you can't reverse the argument to say if you buy the disc, you don't get the media. That would be stupid. However, that is what the media industry wants us to believe.

 

[descendency]

[citation][nom]WheelsOfConfusion[/nom]I'm not a big movie person, but the first thing I do when buying a new CD is make a lossless back-up copy and burn that to disk. Keep the originals in their cases and take the copies with me so I don't have to worry about them getting lost, stolen, or verborken. I also don't get any of my music illegally.[/citation]
And that's wholely legal, for a CD. Once you get to DVDs and BluRays, the laws change for some reason.

Off topic but still relevant is the TV industries controlling of FREE over-the-air content. If you want to watch it, you had better be sitting in front of the TV or else you're stealing FREE TV. Humorous, right?

Stealing Free...

Anyways, the media industry is full of such absurdities.

 

[jerreece]

I still don't even have Blu-Ray to be honest. I'm sure it's far superior graphically, but considering my HDTV is 1080i, and my wife doesn't like the idea of spending $300 for a basic Blu-Ray player, it hasn't happened yet.

Heck, she won't even go for a surround sound system. 😉

Good thing my PC is 1080P and has 5.1 already.

Seriously though, I'd rather see much cheaper Blu-Ray players than legal recordable Blu-Ray players.