Bon Jovi: Steve Jobs Killed Music Industry

[Guest]

C'mon, how many here have bought Cd's that had very little good music on them? One or two decent songs and nothing else? The day of a band that creates very little good music and becoming multi-millionaires is best gone. Hit bands were "manufactured" by giving them some help with their one or two hit songs and letting them fake the rest. That whole formulaic method creates very little and simply tries to duplicate past hits. Good riddance!

 

[thrasher32]

Bon Jovi should kick Steve Jobs' ass. I'd like to see that, I've never seen a girl/geek fight.

 

[thrasher32]

[citation][nom]RADIO_ACTIVE[/nom]More like Bon Jovi's music killed the industry[/citation]

LMAO you hit that nail squarely on the head!!!

 

[Vladislaus]

[citation][nom]MrFawlty[/nom]Er, no. I defy ANYONE to tell the difference between a well-ripped mp3, using LAME at a decent VBR bit-rate, to the original. Yes, technically, there is a difference but the human ear just isn't that sensitive. The problem lies with the equipment people play their mp3s on. From a cheap laptop using the built in sound adaptor, or a cheap mp3 player using rubbish ear-phones, the sound is bad compared to a decent hi-fi system.I know FLAC is always going to good but the file size is just too big, even with the compression.Just so you know, I am a hi-fi enthusiast and sound quality is very important to me.[/citation]
I think you should have said that most people don't use a decent hi-fi system to hear music. Hence they don't notice the difference.

 

[Vladislaus]

Most people are misunderstanding what he's saying. He didn't said that steve jobs killed the music industry financially, because it's better than ever. What he's basically saying is that itunes and other digital stores killed the ritual of buying a new cd/lp. The cd/lp is something physical, something that I can relate more easily than bits stored on my hdd.
It's a lot more enjoyable after buying a cd/lp opening it's case taking out the music medium put it on the player and enjoy the music. Specially vinyls, that I have to put the needle in position to hear certain song, change side. It's not an inconvenience, it's almost like I can touch the music. Also browsing through the real booklet is a lot more fun than using the digital one.
MP3 and other digital formats have it's advantages, specially portability and easy to store. I use a MP3 player when I want to hear a music and I'm not at home. I also use MP3 on my car. But I will always prefer a physical medium to a virtual one.

 

[tburns1]

Man ...back in the day he was a cooooool ladies magnet. Looking at that picture now ...he just looks freakin' g@y. How times change.

 

[AnUnusedUsername]

Technology and a refusal (and partial inability) to change killed the music industry.

It now costs NOTHING to distribute a band's song to millions of people (minus electricity, of course). Continuing to try to sell recorded music is just like trying to sell ...Noting quickly comes to mind as being such a dramatic shift in an industry. With digital files, charging for end-product is a business model that's completely out-of-sync with the reality. Yes, producing digital content is not free. But distributing it is. (To the producers, anyway. ISP's already make their own profits.) This means the "take out loan, develop, sell results" model simply does not work. It needs to be replaced with something more along the lines of "get funding, develop, give away results", which takes advantage of digital distribution, but this just isn't possible in capitalist society.

So we're stuck with a bad model. Selling finished digital goods is wasteful of the capabilities of digital distribution (and piracy results as a consequence), but giving away digital goods, while taking advantage of the technological advances, would require funding musicians (or programmers, developers, etc) simply for being musicians, which is only possible in a communist/socialist society where everyone is payed for whatever they do, regardless of type of work. Those types of societies create free-riders (who don't work or don't work hard, but are paid anyway), which results in lackluster products and people only working because they'll be punished if they don't (as people are generally uninterested in working for anything but themselves).

In both cases, we're pretty much out of luck. Either you use an inefficient business model, or an ineffective social model. It's not that much of a surprise the music industry(and anyone else that produces digital goods) hasn't come up with a good solution.

 

[jj463rd]

Oddly the reign of CD's didn't last very long in comparison to vinyl records which have existed since around the year 1894.CD's really didn't start getting popular until the mid to late 1980's.Many of us over the age of 40 or older fondly remember vinyl records and the cassette tapes which many times were just used in conjunction to copy songs off of these records or radio although one could purchase music from stores on cassettes.Myself I even remember the older vinyl records that were 78 rpm rather than the later microgroove 33 rpm LP albums and 45 rpm Singles or even EP's.Needle based turntables really are not ancient in terms of a human lifetime however it is an antiquated technology and likewise CD's are being replaced too although optical drives are still with us especially with DVD's and now Blu-Ray.
It's really the R.I.A.A. and crappy music that's to blame for the downfall of the corporate music industry.Stop the excessive D.R.M. (abolish the R.I.A.A.) and make good music and people will show interest again.

 

[AnUnusedUsername]

[citation][nom]PCGEEKKILLER[/nom]Steve Jobs/iTunes didn't kill the music business. The MP3 format did. Hundreds of thousands of nerdy illegal mp3 downloaders killed the music industry.[/citation]

You're right about the mp3 format, more or less. Without a format that can be reproduced for nothing (i.e digital), the music industry would be just like any other.

But piracy is not what killed the industry, its a symptom of an industry ill-adapted to the realities of digital distribution. If it costs you literally nothing to reproduce, you probably shouldn't be trying to sell it, and if you do try to sell it the reality that it costs nothing will produce some less-than-desired consequences, i.e. piracy. If the cost of copying a digital file wasn't zero, it wouldn't be possible for people to undercut companies selling digital files (zero undercuts any price point). That cost IS zero though, and artificially trying to change that (via DRM, etc.) isn't going to work.

Yes, musicians and developers can't produce the inital objects for free, and I tried to address that above, but once a song, file, or program is produced, producing more of it costs nothing.

 

[growup]

Music industry is dead.

A kid made millions from a song called LOL smiley face. Are you fkn kdding me?!?!

I can pull better sh@# out of my @$$ and whats funny. He made millions off of that.

Listen to the music and listen to about 15-20 songs, and tell me if any are NOT from the 70s/80s or 90s that aren't pieced together.

Music is dead, no such thing as a music class anymore except you show up to class and play Guitar / DJ Hero LOL.

 

[Burodsx]

Fairly sure the music industry killed the music industry...

 

[Guest]

You know what's really not right BJ? Musicians and actors EXPECTING to make way more money than brain surgeons. It's ridiculous that they make more than school teachers. This countriy's priorities are SO out of whack. There was a time when ...musicians and actors were at about the same social level as prostitutes and beggars. And that was wrong. Art has an important place in society and should be accorded some respect. But if you can make a decent living doing what you love you really shouldn't expect to be treated like a god and paid like one as well. The music market is just beginning to reflect what makes more sense. Put out a great song, let me listen to a snippet of it, I'll buy it. If I like all the songs on your CD and you give me a break vs the cost per song, I'll buy it. That's... FAIR. So suck it up you spoiled shallow d-bag.

 

[cookoy]

the music industry died because it couldn't fool the public like it used to

 

[Unolocogringo]

Er, no. I defy ANYONE to tell the difference between a well-ripped mp3, using LAME at a decent VBR bit-rate, to the original. Yes, technically, there is a difference but the human ear just isn't that sensitive. The problem lies with the equipment people play their mp3s on. From a cheap laptop using the built in sound adaptor, or a cheap mp3 player using rubbish ear-phones, the sound is bad compared to a decent hi-fi system.I know FLAC is always going to good but the file size is just too big, even with the compression.Just so you know, I am a hi-fi enthusiast and sound quality is very important to me.





You need to understand the compression a bit more. Its is entirely possible to get the high' and lows out of a compressed mp3. Unless you're breaking the music down at the recording studio level, you will hear all of the details if you compress it correctly.

Maybe the couple of mp3 cds that I have listened to are bad rips. and mp3 can sound good.
I have worked for bands for 30+years as a sound man. And still have a small 24track digital studio above the stained glass shop in town.
And yes we have several compressors everything is run through before burning to cd.It does cuy ddown the fidelity to a degree, but the upside is a hotter cd. A cd with more volume,which most bands want.
I do not consider myself an audiofile but I insisit on good sounding music, and the few mp3's I've heard were terrible. So I never considerered them as a viable alternative.

 

[starryman]

Attention to the author Kevin Parrish... stick with the facts and report. Don't need your opinion. While I can't stand anything Bon Jovi... Bon Jovi is completely correct. Apple provides a slice of a CD for $1+ and offers just a file where a consumer must use their own computer and internet connection to download. So the the consumer pays for the actual physical distribution and the musician pays with the sweat and blood of their work and artistry. The Apple music format and any others such as MP3s are low resolution and do not have the details. You get 3/4 the music... at $1+ per track... Apple is ripping everyone off. Apple is going bye bye when music goes widespread with free leased and or subscriptions. You don't have to be old to appreciate quality. QUALITY. QUALITY.

 

[starryman]

[citation][nom]jj463rd[/nom]Oddly the reign of CD's didn't last very long in comparison to vinyl records which have existed since around the year 1894.CD's really didn't start getting popular until the mid to late 1980's.Many of us over the age of 40 or older fondly remember vinyl records and the cassette tapes which many times were just used in conjunction to copy songs off of these records or radio although one could purchase music from stores on cassettes.Myself I even remember the older vinyl records that were 78 rpm rather than the later microgroove 33 rpm LP albums and 45 rpm Singles or even EP's.Needle based turntables really are not ancient in terms of a human lifetime however it is an antiquated technology and likewise CD's are being replaced too although optical drives are still with us especially with DVD's and now Blu-Ray.It's really the R.I.A.A. and crappy music that's to blame for the downfall of the corporate music industry.Stop the excessive D.R.M. (abolish the R.I.A.A.) and make good music and people will show interest again.[/citation]

I think Apple, the RIAA, and excessive DRM has destroyed the music community. Go to an outdoor concert folks. It's completely analogue but at least it's real life.

 

[itchyisvegeta]

John Bon Jovi is just pissed that we no longer have to buy an entire album to hear those only just a few songs that we like, thus giving Bon Jovi the ability to release 80% crap for the last 20 years.

Maybe if they made good music like they did in the 80s, and not been such a sell out, John Bon Jovi may find out that people want to buy his albums again.

 

[Khimera2000]

i thought the reason why is because the music industry advertised that CD's where suppose to cost as much as casets in time, but the music industry got greedy and kept on over charging for something that should of gone down in price as time went on.

I dont think the music industry is dying. I do think that the prices where inflated for a loooong time and the market is corrcting itself to what its suppose to be.... like when other companies artaficialy inflate prices.

Once MP3s came out the music industry lost the monopoly on music distribution, and like any monopoly that gets broken you will find that the price chaged are far out of line when compared to the quality sold.

Simply put... they sold crap for a LONNNNGGGG time and now there facing a time when quality and enginuity counts (two places where they no longer excel).

 

[eddieroolz]

Instead of "taking your allowance and finding a record you like" I'd say its more a case of "taking all your allowances with overpriced items that deliver less, and then some more".

 

[mayankleoboy1]

an old fart complaining. so whats new?