Canon 20D colors - Pink lips

[Jack]

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Hi
Just bought a Canon 20d camera. It's a nice camera but I'm not happy with
the face colors. My pictures of (white) men all have pink lips. And the
faces are pale.
I don't have this problem with my Nikon D100.

Any ideas?

Thanks
J

 

[Guest]

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Jack wrote:
> Hi
> Just bought a Canon 20d camera. It's a nice camera but I'm not happy with
> the face colors. My pictures of (white) men all have pink lips. And the
> faces are pale.
> I don't have this problem with my Nikon D100.
>
> Any ideas?

You can change them to green in Photoshop.

Gary Eickmeier

 

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"Jack" <No@mail.Please> wrote in message
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> Hi
> Just bought a Canon 20d camera. It's a nice camera but I'm not happy with
> the face colors. My pictures of (white) men all have pink lips. And the
> faces are pale.
> I don't have this problem with my Nikon D100.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks
> J
>


My first reaction to this is always the same. How are you displaying
the results? Are you looking at them on a computer screen, a print you made
or a print commercially made?

I suggest that your systems may be properly calibrated to your Nikon
D100 but not to your new 20D. It may not be the camera, or it may be, but it
also can be a simple calibration matter on your computer.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

 

[Jack]

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Here's a link to show the sort of picture the 20D produces in full auto mode

http/www.moled.cwc.net/Pics/IMG_2198-Sm.jpg

Is this right?

Thanks


"Joseph Meehan" <sligojoe_Spamno@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Jack" <No@mail.Please> wrote in message
> news:d4nq74$551$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> > Hi
> > Just bought a Canon 20d camera. It's a nice camera but I'm not happy
with
> > the face colors. My pictures of (white) men all have pink lips. And the
> > faces are pale.
> > I don't have this problem with my Nikon D100.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks
> > J
> >
>
>
> My first reaction to this is always the same. How are you displaying
> the results? Are you looking at them on a computer screen, a print you
made
> or a print commercially made?
>
> I suggest that your systems may be properly calibrated to your Nikon
> D100 but not to your new 20D. It may not be the camera, or it may be, but
it
> also can be a simple calibration matter on your computer.
>
> --
> Joseph Meehan
>
> Dia duit
>
>

 

[Jack]

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I got this result
http/www.moled.cwc.net/Pics/IMG_2201-Sm.jpg

in P mode with the color tone set to + max




"Jack" <No@mail.Please> wrote in message
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> Here's a link to show the sort of picture the 20D produces in full auto
mode
>
> http/www.moled.cwc.net/Pics/IMG_2198-Sm.jpg
>
> Is this right?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> "Joseph Meehan" <sligojoe_Spamno@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:FeLbe.774$Eg.662@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
> > "Jack" <No@mail.Please> wrote in message
> > news:d4nq74$551$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> > > Hi
> > > Just bought a Canon 20d camera. It's a nice camera but I'm not happy
> with
> > > the face colors. My pictures of (white) men all have pink lips. And
the
> > > faces are pale.
> > > I don't have this problem with my Nikon D100.
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > J
> > >
> >
> >
> > My first reaction to this is always the same. How are you
displaying
> > the results? Are you looking at them on a computer screen, a print you
> made
> > or a print commercially made?
> >
> > I suggest that your systems may be properly calibrated to your Nikon
> > D100 but not to your new 20D. It may not be the camera, or it may be,
but
> it
> > also can be a simple calibration matter on your computer.
> >
> > --
> > Joseph Meehan
> >
> > Dia duit
> >
> >
>
>

 

[Guest]

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Jack wrote:
> I got this result
> http/www.moled.cwc.net/Pics/IMG_2201-Sm.jpg
>
> in P mode with the color tone set to + max

So what's the problem?

Gary Eickmeier

 

[Guest]

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"Jack" <No@mail.Please> wrote in message
news:d4nq74$551$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> Hi
> Just bought a Canon 20d camera. It's a nice camera but I'm not happy with
> the face colors. My pictures of (white) men all have pink lips. And the
> faces are pale.
> I don't have this problem with my Nikon D100.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks
> J

Learn to meter...and white balance.
Bing!
Great skin tones.

 

[Guest]

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"Jack" <No@mail.Please> wrote in message
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> Here's a link to show the sort of picture the 20D produces in full auto
> mode
>
> http/www.moled.cwc.net/Pics/IMG_2198-Sm.jpg
>
> Is this right?
>
> Thanks

That is simply an over-exposed shot.

 

[Guest]

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Jack wrote:
> I got this result
> http/www.moled.cwc.net/Pics/IMG_2201-Sm.jpg
>
> in P mode with the color tone set to + max
>

They both look a little cool for my taste on my monitor. What kind of
white balance are you using? It looks like it may be locked on daylight and
the images look like they may be in the shade giving you the usual cool
effect that in film photography you would use a skylight filter to correct.

You could try using a gray card or changing the white balance setting.
Does it do this on all images, or just the ones posted?

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

 

[Jack]

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I'm using a "spider" calibrated monitor and the white balance is auto WB.


"Joseph Meehan" <sligojoe_Spamno@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jack wrote:
> > I got this result
> > http/www.moled.cwc.net/Pics/IMG_2201-Sm.jpg
> >
> > in P mode with the color tone set to + max
> >
>
> They both look a little cool for my taste on my monitor. What kind of
> white balance are you using? It looks like it may be locked on daylight
and
> the images look like they may be in the shade giving you the usual cool
> effect that in film photography you would use a skylight filter to
correct.
>
> You could try using a gray card or changing the white balance setting.
> Does it do this on all images, or just the ones posted?
>
> --
> Joseph Meehan
>
> Dia duit
>
>

 

[Confused]

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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:12:16 +0000 (UTC)
In message <d4o33g$6ge$1@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>
"Jack" <No@mail.Please> wrote:

> > > My pictures of (white) men all have pink lips.
> > > And the faces are pale.
> > > ...
> Here's a link to show the sort of picture the 20D produces in full auto mode
>
> http/www.moled.cwc.net/Pics/IMG_2198-Sm.jpg
>
> Is this right?

Fair skinned white boys with no tan *do* have
pink lips and pale faces.

<plonk>

Jeff

 

[Guest]

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Jack wrote:
> I'm using a "spider" calibrated monitor and the white balance is auto
> WB.
>

Well I think I am seeing the same thing you are on my monitor as well,
so I would tend to think it is likely the camera end. I would suggest
tweaking the white balance. Try a few images in different light and include
a gray card.

I might also suggest trying a bracketing series to see what effect a
change in exposure will do.

Have you had this in a number of different images with different
subjects and lighting?


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

 

[Guest]

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I forgot to mention. It looks like the photo has been cropped. Could
there have been parts of the image with say strong colors that may have
caused the auto WB to fail?

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

 

[Guest]

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>
> Fair skinned white boys with no tan *do* have
> pink lips and pale faces.
>
> <plonk>
>
> Jeff

Agreeded lol, but yea, just warm up the tone using whiteblance. Try an expo
disk or a pringles can lid if you want perfect WB.

 

[Guest]

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"Jack" <No@mail.Please> wrote in message
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> I'm using a "spider" calibrated monitor and the white balance is auto WB.
>
>
> "Joseph Meehan" <sligojoe_Spamno@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4FPbe.7438$dh.3451@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
>> Jack wrote:
>> > I got this result
>> > http/www.moled.cwc.net/Pics/IMG_2201-Sm.jpg
>> >
>> > in P mode with the color tone set to + max
>> >
>>
>> They both look a little cool for my taste on my monitor. What kind
>> of
>> white balance are you using? It looks like it may be locked on daylight
> and
>> the images look like they may be in the shade giving you the usual cool
>> effect that in film photography you would use a skylight filter to
> correct.
>>
>> You could try using a gray card or changing the white balance
>> setting.
>> Does it do this on all images, or just the ones posted?
>>
>> --
>> Joseph Meehan
>>
>> Dia duit
>>
>>
>
I agree with Joe on the first image. It is a bit bluish (cool) to me. I have
an LCD monitor.
The second image looks better but not great. The lighting/exposure is lower.
If there is a lot of warm tones in other parts of the image, it could cause
a blue shift in the WB.

John

 

[Jack]

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This was shot on Full Auto mode, where zero adjustments are available on the
20D.

I have adjusted the "Color Tone" in the so called "Processing Parameters" to
+1. (seems to take the edge of the red/pink face)
This (interesting) control adjusts the skin tone, -2 more Red and +2 more
Yellow.

(Adjusting colors in the White balance is not a practical solution for me as
I don't always have the time to WB in a fast working setup.)

Thanks for all your help and suggestions as this encouraged me to experiment
with the cameras different settings.
J

"Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
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>
> "Jack" > >
> > Thanks
> > J
>
> Learn to meter...and white balance.
> Bing!
> Great skin tones.
>
>

 

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"Jack" <No@mail.Please> wrote in message
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> This was shot on Full Auto mode, where zero adjustments are available on
> the
> 20D.
>
> I have adjusted the "Color Tone" in the so called "Processing Parameters"
> to
> +1. (seems to take the edge of the red/pink face)
> This (interesting) control adjusts the skin tone, -2 more Red and +2 more
> Yellow.
>
> (Adjusting colors in the White balance is not a practical solution for me
> as
> I don't always have the time to WB in a fast working setup.)

Adjusting the white balance is the ONLY way to get good color in a great
many environments.
If you're going to declare that you will not fiddle with white balance, then
get used to disappointment...as you will be severely sabataging your
camera's abilities to render a proper image.

 

[Paul]

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I agree it was a white balance problem. The shot was in the shade so the
WB setting could have been manually put to shade, probably even in auto
mode. Even if only half the scene is in the shade, shade WB is usually
the way to go since the blues can be really strong.

Jack wrote:

> This was shot on Full Auto mode, where zero adjustments are available on the
> 20D.
>
> I have adjusted the "Color Tone" in the so called "Processing Parameters" to
> +1. (seems to take the edge of the red/pink face)
> This (interesting) control adjusts the skin tone, -2 more Red and +2 more
> Yellow.
>
> (Adjusting colors in the White balance is not a practical solution for me as
> I don't always have the time to WB in a fast working setup.)
>
> Thanks for all your help and suggestions as this encouraged me to experiment
> with the cameras different settings.
> J
>
> "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
> news:qjVbe.60$F33.58@fed1read04...
>
>>"Jack" > >
>>
>>>Thanks
>>>J
>>
>>Learn to meter...and white balance.
>>Bing!
>>Great skin tones.
>>
>>
>
>
>

 

[Guest]

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Jack wrote:
...>
> Thanks for all your help and suggestions as this encouraged me to
> experiment with the cameras different settings.
> J

Experimenting is the best way to learn.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

 

[Jack]

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Thanks for your suggestions but I was getting this problem with indoor flash
as well. (It's ok with my new adjustments)


"paul" <paul@not.net> wrote in message
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> I agree it was a white balance problem. The shot was in the shade so the
> WB setting could have been manually put to shade, probably even in auto
> mode. Even if only half the scene is in the shade, shade WB is usually
> the way to go since the blues can be really strong.
>
> Jack wrote:
>
> > This was shot on Full Auto mode, where zero adjustments are available on
the
> > 20D.
> >
> > I have adjusted the "Color Tone" in the so called "Processing
Parameters" to
> > +1. (seems to take the edge of the red/pink face)
> > This (interesting) control adjusts the skin tone, -2 more Red and +2
more
> > Yellow.
> >
> > (Adjusting colors in the White balance is not a practical solution for
me as
> > I don't always have the time to WB in a fast working setup.)
> >
> > Thanks for all your help and suggestions as this encouraged me to
experiment
> > with the cameras different settings.
> > J
> >
> > "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
> > news:qjVbe.60$F33.58@fed1read04...
> >
> >>"Jack" > >
> >>
> >>>Thanks
> >>>J
> >>
> >>Learn to meter...and white balance.
> >>Bing!
> >>Great skin tones.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >