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[citation][nom]maddad[/nom]So if the Mac Air is so dispicable why are all the other PC manufacturers copying the form factor[/citation]
The Toshiba Portege was an Ultrabook before the Macbook Air was an itch in Jobs nutsack, so who is copying who?
The Toshiba Portege was an Ultrabook before the Macbook Air was an itch in Jobs nutsack, so who is copying who?
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]The Toshiba Portege was an Ultrabook before the Macbook Air was an itch in Jobs nutsack, so who is copying who?[/citation]
That might be true, but to be honest, in terms of overall build quality, etc. for the ultra-thin laptop market, nothing still competes with the MacBook Air. Some of them are close, but miss features such as a backlit keyboard, overall quality of the keyboard, screen quality, etc. I'm sure one will come out sometime soon that will fully compete with the MacBook Air, but until then, I'll just use Windows 7 on my Air.
That might be true, but to be honest, in terms of overall build quality, etc. for the ultra-thin laptop market, nothing still competes with the MacBook Air. Some of them are close, but miss features such as a backlit keyboard, overall quality of the keyboard, screen quality, etc. I'm sure one will come out sometime soon that will fully compete with the MacBook Air, but until then, I'll just use Windows 7 on my Air.
[citation][nom]legacy7955[/nom]The thing is that the Mac Air is a poor value, you can buy a competing HP laptop that does everything and more that the Apple for a LOT less, and contrary to the myth the quality of the hardware is not any better.[/citation]
I have been a PC guy for forever, and have done my fair share of Apple bashing (when it's warranted), but I'm sorry to say, I completely disagree with you that the MacBook Air is a poor value (when it comes to the ultrathin form factor that is). What competing HP laptop are you talking about by the way? Because ALL of HP's laptops, except for the Folio 13, ARE NOT competing laptops. Sure you can get a much bigger, bulkier laptop for less that does more, but the whole thing about the Air is the form factor, and HP only has the Folio 13 that would be considered competition. And even with that the Folio 13 is still much bigger and heavier than the Air, has a lower screen res, worse keyboard, etc., so the Air can still justify the higher price. And again, sorry to say, but while the internal hardware quality may not be better, the external hardware and design definitely is -- as hard as that may be to admit it's true, so you really need to take off your blinders.
I have been a PC guy for forever, and have done my fair share of Apple bashing (when it's warranted), but I'm sorry to say, I completely disagree with you that the MacBook Air is a poor value (when it comes to the ultrathin form factor that is). What competing HP laptop are you talking about by the way? Because ALL of HP's laptops, except for the Folio 13, ARE NOT competing laptops. Sure you can get a much bigger, bulkier laptop for less that does more, but the whole thing about the Air is the form factor, and HP only has the Folio 13 that would be considered competition. And even with that the Folio 13 is still much bigger and heavier than the Air, has a lower screen res, worse keyboard, etc., so the Air can still justify the higher price. And again, sorry to say, but while the internal hardware quality may not be better, the external hardware and design definitely is -- as hard as that may be to admit it's true, so you really need to take off your blinders.
[citation][nom]assasin32[/nom]Who cares, we all have different tastes, I know if I owned a car company lets say Hyundai I probably won't be driving one 24/7 as I know I probably have something like a Shelby Cobra and old Dodge Charger thrown in my car collection./end car analogy[/citation]
I agree, but when you're doing a photo op, that's ridiculously stupid. This isn't some candid photo of him at a coffee shop or something using his MacBook Air, this was all staged, and as such, this guy is a complete moron. To me this is pretty big deal to be this stupid, and to be honest, if this guy isn't aware of something like this, I wouldn't want him to be an "agent of change" for my company. Seems to me he's a "bottom line" guy, worried just about numbers, and not about brand identity, etc. What he did is like if a college football coach is hired by a new school, and he does a photo op in a magazine wearing clothing with a rival school's logo. It's just effing stupid.
I agree, but when you're doing a photo op, that's ridiculously stupid. This isn't some candid photo of him at a coffee shop or something using his MacBook Air, this was all staged, and as such, this guy is a complete moron. To me this is pretty big deal to be this stupid, and to be honest, if this guy isn't aware of something like this, I wouldn't want him to be an "agent of change" for my company. Seems to me he's a "bottom line" guy, worried just about numbers, and not about brand identity, etc. What he did is like if a college football coach is hired by a new school, and he does a photo op in a magazine wearing clothing with a rival school's logo. It's just effing stupid.
I really can't understand why anyone would think this is OK...
An executive chairman is a representative of the board, and the board are responsible for the interests of HP's shareholders.
Appearing in the media specifically using a well-known competitors products is absolutely moronic, and a big embarassment to HP.
After all, this is why Meg Whitman has stopped HP from losing it's PC division - because although it may be a small part of the company profits it is the brand recognition of the PC hardware which the majority of the world associates with HP.
If a company executive (the executive chairman, no less) does not want to use HP's products primarily himself then how can he represent HP at all? It completely undermines the interests of HP's shareholders and alienates every single member of staff at HP who champions the brand and drives to deliver their products to consumers, business and enterprise customers.
It's clear that this blatant disregard for HP's brand perception is rife within HP, and I hope that Meg Whitman stamps this out across the organisation. I hope the board remove him.
An executive chairman is a representative of the board, and the board are responsible for the interests of HP's shareholders.
Appearing in the media specifically using a well-known competitors products is absolutely moronic, and a big embarassment to HP.
After all, this is why Meg Whitman has stopped HP from losing it's PC division - because although it may be a small part of the company profits it is the brand recognition of the PC hardware which the majority of the world associates with HP.
If a company executive (the executive chairman, no less) does not want to use HP's products primarily himself then how can he represent HP at all? It completely undermines the interests of HP's shareholders and alienates every single member of staff at HP who champions the brand and drives to deliver their products to consumers, business and enterprise customers.
It's clear that this blatant disregard for HP's brand perception is rife within HP, and I hope that Meg Whitman stamps this out across the organisation. I hope the board remove him.
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[citation][nom]flybri[/nom]That might be true, but to be honest, in terms of overall build quality, etc. for the ultra-thin laptop market, nothing still competes with the MacBook Air. Some of them are close, but miss features such as a backlit keyboard, overall quality of the keyboard, screen quality, etc. I'm sure one will come out sometime soon that will fully compete with the MacBook Air, but until then, I'll just use Windows 7 on my Air.[/citation]
Now you are just arguing semantics, I never mentioned build quality just the form factor, in my formative years I had dozens of these shoddily constructed POS's returned with various faults so I agree that the Macbook Air is better constructed.
So in the same grain, if another manufacturer comes along and does better build quality than Apple what will they fall back on, because the "we got their first" line isn't true.
Now you are just arguing semantics, I never mentioned build quality just the form factor, in my formative years I had dozens of these shoddily constructed POS's returned with various faults so I agree that the Macbook Air is better constructed.
So in the same grain, if another manufacturer comes along and does better build quality than Apple what will they fall back on, because the "we got their first" line isn't true.
[citation][nom]maddad[/nom]So if the Mac Air is so dispicable why are all the other PC manufacturers copying the form factor.[/citation]
Right! As far as I know, no manufacturer ever thought of making a laptop as thin as possible, fold like a clam shell, have a display on the top half and a keyboard on the bottom half. How was Apple ever able to come up with this?? I think, maybe, laptop, and computers in general were invented by Apple?
Right! As far as I know, no manufacturer ever thought of making a laptop as thin as possible, fold like a clam shell, have a display on the top half and a keyboard on the bottom half. How was Apple ever able to come up with this?? I think, maybe, laptop, and computers in general were invented by Apple?
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]Now you are just arguing semantics, I never mentioned build quality just the form factor, in my formative years I had dozens of these shoddily constructed POS's returned with various faults so I agree that the Macbook Air is better constructed.So in the same grain, if another manufacturer comes along and does better build quality than Apple what will they fall back on, because the "we got their first" line isn't true.[/citation]
I know you didn't mention build quality; I was just adding that into my comment. I'm not saying that Apple doesn't take or steal ideas from others...hell, Jobs admitted it himself. Nowadays people can claim that almost everything is stolen or borrowed from something else in one way or another. To be honest, in the end I personally don't care who comes up with something first, it's who comes up with the best overall iteration of a product.
I know you didn't mention build quality; I was just adding that into my comment. I'm not saying that Apple doesn't take or steal ideas from others...hell, Jobs admitted it himself. Nowadays people can claim that almost everything is stolen or borrowed from something else in one way or another. To be honest, in the end I personally don't care who comes up with something first, it's who comes up with the best overall iteration of a product.
[citation][nom]back_by_demand[/nom]So in the same grain, if another manufacturer comes along and does better build quality than Apple what will they fall back on, because the "we got their first" line isn't true.[/citation]
In the same chain, this is a good question. In the same plain, Apple usually isn't first. On the on hand, in the same VEIN, they often get their English expressions right.
In the same chain, this is a good question. In the same plain, Apple usually isn't first. On the on hand, in the same VEIN, they often get their English expressions right.
[citation][nom]saintjimmy[/nom]My HP laptop is a perfect case scenario for that: It has very similar specs to a mid-range 17" Macbook Pro: It's a dv7 (17"), has an Intel Core i7-2630QM 2.0 GHz quad, 8 GB DDR3-1333, 2 x 500 GB hard drives, and an AMD Radeon HD 6770M 1 GB GDDR5. Where it gets better is that it has 6 things that Macbook Pro's don't: Blu-Ray, USB 3.0, a fingerprint reader, Beats audio, a numberpad on the keyboard, and Windows 7! Not to mention great battery life too (5+ hours on the Internet). All the specs of a $2,200+ MBP in an equivalent HP laptop for $1,100 total![/citation]
saintjimmy, he mentioned the MacBook Air, not other larger 13" or 15.6"+ laptops, so actually your huge 17" HP laptop IS NOT a perfect example. And while in another comparison when comparing to a MBP is somewhat valid, you can still say that the the MBP has much higher quality materials and workmanship. Is a MBP worth that much more for what you get? That's a question each person needs to answer for themselves. But in terms of the internals of run of the mill PC's vs. a MBP, yes, you get more for your money, but the design, workmanship, etc. is less than a MBP.
One case that may prove to be different is with HP's new Envy line coming out next month. Looks to be very similar to Apple workmanship (and that's also because they pretty much copied the MBP form almost exactly). I guess we'll find out...
saintjimmy, he mentioned the MacBook Air, not other larger 13" or 15.6"+ laptops, so actually your huge 17" HP laptop IS NOT a perfect example. And while in another comparison when comparing to a MBP is somewhat valid, you can still say that the the MBP has much higher quality materials and workmanship. Is a MBP worth that much more for what you get? That's a question each person needs to answer for themselves. But in terms of the internals of run of the mill PC's vs. a MBP, yes, you get more for your money, but the design, workmanship, etc. is less than a MBP.
One case that may prove to be different is with HP's new Envy line coming out next month. Looks to be very similar to Apple workmanship (and that's also because they pretty much copied the MBP form almost exactly). I guess we'll find out...
[citation][nom]flybri[/nom]I know you didn't mention build quality; I was just adding that into my comment.To be honest, in the end I personally don't care who comes up with something first, it's who comes up with the best overall iteration of a product.[/citation]
Back by demand is a troll that just bashes Apple in every article here, despite knowing nothing about its products or ever really using them, so you're wasting your time responding to her. This moron outed (and really embarrassed) herself in the GPU accelerated window system patent article a few days ago, so her opinions on Apple are really irrelevant.
Best to just ignore her.
Back by demand is a troll that just bashes Apple in every article here, despite knowing nothing about its products or ever really using them, so you're wasting your time responding to her. This moron outed (and really embarrassed) herself in the GPU accelerated window system patent article a few days ago, so her opinions on Apple are really irrelevant.
Best to just ignore her.
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[citation][nom]saintjimmy[/nom]My HP laptop is a perfect case scenario for that: It has very similar specs to a mid-range 17" Macbook Pro: It's a dv7 (17"), has an Intel Core i7-2630QM 2.0 GHz quad, 8 GB DDR3-1333, 2 x 500 GB hard drives, and an AMD Radeon HD 6770M 1 GB GDDR5. Where it gets better is that it has 6 things that Macbook Pro's don't: Blu-Ray, USB 3.0, a fingerprint reader, Beats audio, a numberpad on the keyboard, and Windows 7! Not to mention great battery life too (5+ hours on the Internet). All the specs of a $2,200+ MBP in an equivalent HP laptop for $1,100 total![/citation]
Yeah, even though you've got plastic and a much, much, much lower resolution screen I don't think the MacBook Pro is worht 2x as much. ...and it may be meaningless to you, but you're not running the same CPU.
Yeah, even though you've got plastic and a much, much, much lower resolution screen I don't think the MacBook Pro is worht 2x as much. ...and it may be meaningless to you, but you're not running the same CPU.
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[citation][nom]maddad[/nom]So if the Mac Air is so dispicable why are all the other PC manufacturers copying the form factor. I don't own any Apple products myself, never have. So I don't dog a product I have never even tried myself. May some of the other folks in this forum should try an item before they determine it is a POS.[/citation]
tried them; still a POS.
On the topic: I can see why someone can choose a piece of hardware at their leisure, but this is a bad PR move, if it gets published. If you can not stand behind your product for a photo session, maybe you should not have any product before you instead of one of the competitor's.
tried them; still a POS.
On the topic: I can see why someone can choose a piece of hardware at their leisure, but this is a bad PR move, if it gets published. If you can not stand behind your product for a photo session, maybe you should not have any product before you instead of one of the competitor's.
Just curious, if Apple laptops are such pieces of crap, why is everyone trying their best to copy it?
Get your head out of the gutter. People don't need octo-cores in their laptops. They need portability, durability, and endurance.
Guess who does best in all three? Guess which one the chairman of HP is using?
I'm using a company provided Dell E5410 (only 3 months old), and my life couldn't be any more miserable. The quality is crap, my power button is wearing off, the top portion is flimsy, the track buttons look worn, the computer will turn off randomly during the month while walking to meetings, I've booted to an empty desktop before (scaring the crap out of me, it was not in safe mode, had to restart to get it to boot to my stuff), scrolling is a pain on webpages, and my 2-3 hour battery makes me nervous during back to back meetings. On top of that, it weighs over 5lbs.
When I go home, you can bet your ass that the dell is sitting in my bag unused, while my MBA13 is roaring along with its 'inferior' specs, running perfectly. No, I'm not a fanboy who lines up for mac products, I just like things that work properly with little fuss. Things like waking it up from sleep only takes 5 seconds max even after a week. If I had to shut down, starting the computer takes a small fraction of the time that it takes to start my Dell. And scrolling on webpages? Back/Forward shortcuts on the trackpad? Makes browsing the web (something most of us do for the majority of our day) incredibly efficient.
Macs cost more, thats obvious. But it is incredibly easy to justify the price, when you don't have to deal with the crap I listed above. If you still haven't tried a Mac, you are just blindly following your own cult. A cult of fanboys who cannot accept the fact that sometimes things change for the better.
Think about this, a 997 right now costs a fortune, but it is one of the best sellers despite its lack of specs. Why? Because it is a better quality car and provides a much more rewarding experience. A $80k car that makes the same horsepower as a $30k one. Yet you will look like a fool trying to argue about how overpriced it is to any true car enthusiast. The same applies here, where the MacBook Air should be looked up upon as a game changer, the only product that spurred Intel to force the 'ultrabook' down every PC manufacturer's throat to stay competitive.
My custom rig would be running OSX if I didn't get such lousy FPS on games.
Get your head out of the gutter. People don't need octo-cores in their laptops. They need portability, durability, and endurance.
Guess who does best in all three? Guess which one the chairman of HP is using?
I'm using a company provided Dell E5410 (only 3 months old), and my life couldn't be any more miserable. The quality is crap, my power button is wearing off, the top portion is flimsy, the track buttons look worn, the computer will turn off randomly during the month while walking to meetings, I've booted to an empty desktop before (scaring the crap out of me, it was not in safe mode, had to restart to get it to boot to my stuff), scrolling is a pain on webpages, and my 2-3 hour battery makes me nervous during back to back meetings. On top of that, it weighs over 5lbs.
When I go home, you can bet your ass that the dell is sitting in my bag unused, while my MBA13 is roaring along with its 'inferior' specs, running perfectly. No, I'm not a fanboy who lines up for mac products, I just like things that work properly with little fuss. Things like waking it up from sleep only takes 5 seconds max even after a week. If I had to shut down, starting the computer takes a small fraction of the time that it takes to start my Dell. And scrolling on webpages? Back/Forward shortcuts on the trackpad? Makes browsing the web (something most of us do for the majority of our day) incredibly efficient.
Macs cost more, thats obvious. But it is incredibly easy to justify the price, when you don't have to deal with the crap I listed above. If you still haven't tried a Mac, you are just blindly following your own cult. A cult of fanboys who cannot accept the fact that sometimes things change for the better.
Think about this, a 997 right now costs a fortune, but it is one of the best sellers despite its lack of specs. Why? Because it is a better quality car and provides a much more rewarding experience. A $80k car that makes the same horsepower as a $30k one. Yet you will look like a fool trying to argue about how overpriced it is to any true car enthusiast. The same applies here, where the MacBook Air should be looked up upon as a game changer, the only product that spurred Intel to force the 'ultrabook' down every PC manufacturer's throat to stay competitive.
My custom rig would be running OSX if I didn't get such lousy FPS on games.
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