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I've really had it with the bloated, buggy software on the Windows
platform and I have finally made the decision to move over to Linux
because all the software I need is free.
I've been test driving some Linux software for the last couple of weeks
and truthfully I can't find anything that my Linux software can't do
that the others with Windows can do.

I plan on using the following for tracking, mixing and mastering:

Ardour http://ardour.org/ This program just ROCKS!!!

Audacity for Mastering: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ Which
comes with about 200 plugins for mastering.

Rosegarden for MIDI: http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/

I have been using all of these programs under Mepis Linux and I can't
say enough good about them. Super stable and great.

So long DONGLES, Serial numbers and other BS and hello to the freedom
of Linux.

My LEGAL versions of Sonar 4 Producer and Cubase SX3 will be up on ebay
shortly.

Wilson Pettibone
 
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On 10-Jun-2005, "Wilson Pettibone" <wilson_pettibone@yahoo.com> had the
unmitigated gall to write:

> My LEGAL versions of Sonar 4 Producer and Cubase SX3 will be up on ebay
> shortly.

Well that says all I need to hear of your integrity. So the rest of what
you have to say has no value to me.

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On 10 Jun 2005 16:11:26 -0700, "Wilson Pettibone"
<wilson_pettibone@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I've really had it with the bloated, buggy software on the Windows
>platform and I have finally made the decision to move over to Linux
>because all the software I need is free.
>I've been test driving some Linux software for the last couple of weeks
>and truthfully I can't find anything that my Linux software can't do
>that the others with Windows can do.

What are you using for an audio card?

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> I've really had it with the bloated, buggy software on the Windows
> platform and I have finally made the decision to move over to Linux
> because all the software I need is free.
> I've been test driving some Linux software for the last couple of weeks
> and truthfully I can't find anything that my Linux software can't do
> that the others with Windows can do.
>
> I plan on using the following for tracking, mixing and mastering:
>
> Ardour http://ardour.org/ This program just ROCKS!!!
>
> Audacity for Mastering: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ Which
> comes with about 200 plugins for mastering.
>
> Rosegarden for MIDI: http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
>
> I have been using all of these programs under Mepis Linux and I can't
> say enough good about them. Super stable and great.
>
> So long DONGLES, Serial numbers and other BS and hello to the freedom
> of Linux.
>
> My LEGAL versions of Sonar 4 Producer and Cubase SX3 will be up on ebay
> shortly.
>
Interesting. What about all those VSTs, Dxis, plugins, etc? Will they run in
Linux?

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>>>I've really had it with the bloated, buggy software on the Windows
>>>platform and I have finally made the decision to move over to Linux
>>>because all the software I need is free. I've been test driving some
>>>Linux software for the last couple of weeks and truthfully I can't find
>>>anything that my Linux software can't do that the others with Windows
>>>can do.

Well, I looked at it too and found it woefully incomplete and not
suitable for professional use, at least not yet.

Still hobbyist level IMHO.

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I really wish these Linux geeks would stop cross posting in rec.audio.
pro.

We don't care what you use. You are just annoying.
 
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Richie Miller wrote:

> Interesting. What about all those VSTs, Dxis, plugins, etc? Will they run in
> Linux?
>
> RM

I presume you're being facetious, but in case you're not: There are
Windows emulators on Linux. The actual binary code doesn't have to
change (since it'd be running on the same processor as Windows does) but
the file format for the linker/loader (what does the DLL call and what
functions does it expose?) has to be interpretted and all of the system
calls have to be redirected to the Linux equivalant.

It would be possible to move all the Windows plug-ins over via
emulation, but I doubt it's been done yet. Perhaps it has though - the
technology is there on Linux and source code is probably available.

FWIW, I'm somewhat interested in how things are shaping up like on
Linux, but I'm less thrilled with some troll doing a spamming cross-post
for the education.

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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 04:11:04 -0700, Richie Miller <> wrote:

>> I've really had it with the bloated, buggy software on the Windows
>> platform and I have finally made the decision to move over to Linux
>> because all the software I need is free.
>> I've been test driving some Linux software for the last couple of weeks
>> and truthfully I can't find anything that my Linux software can't do
>> that the others with Windows can do.
>>
>> I plan on using the following for tracking, mixing and mastering:
>>
>> Ardour http://ardour.org/ This program just ROCKS!!!
>>
>> Audacity for Mastering: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ Which
>> comes with about 200 plugins for mastering.
>>
>> Rosegarden for MIDI: http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
>>
>> I have been using all of these programs under Mepis Linux and I can't
>> say enough good about them. Super stable and great.
>>
>> So long DONGLES, Serial numbers and other BS and hello to the freedom
>> of Linux.
>>
>> My LEGAL versions of Sonar 4 Producer and Cubase SX3 will be up on ebay
>> shortly.
>>
>Interesting. What about all those VSTs, Dxis, plugins, etc? Will they run in
>Linux?

No, they won't... but he won't need them as his Soundblaster Live has
builit in effects! Oh wait, SBLive effects aren't supported in
Linux... darn!

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> On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 04:11:04 -0700, Richie Miller <> wrote:
>
> >> I've really had it with the bloated, buggy software on the Windows
> >> platform and I have finally made the decision to move over to Linux
> >> because all the software I need is free.
> >> I've been test driving some Linux software for the last couple of weeks
> >> and truthfully I can't find anything that my Linux software can't do
> >> that the others with Windows can do.
> >>
> >> I plan on using the following for tracking, mixing and mastering:
> >>
> >> Ardour http://ardour.org/ This program just ROCKS!!!
> >>
> >> Audacity for Mastering: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ Which
> >> comes with about 200 plugins for mastering.
> >>
> >> Rosegarden for MIDI: http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
> >>
> >> I have been using all of these programs under Mepis Linux and I can't
> >> say enough good about them. Super stable and great.
> >>
> >> So long DONGLES, Serial numbers and other BS and hello to the freedom
> >> of Linux.
> >>
> >> My LEGAL versions of Sonar 4 Producer and Cubase SX3 will be up on ebay
> >> shortly.
> >>
> >Interesting. What about all those VSTs, Dxis, plugins, etc? Will they run in
> >Linux?
>
> No, they won't... but he won't need them as his Soundblaster Live has
> builit in effects! Oh wait, SBLive effects aren't supported in
> Linux... darn!
>
ROFL. Linux and SB Live.

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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 09:10:19 -0500, Kraig Olmstead wrote:

> Richie Miller wrote:
>
>> Interesting. What about all those VSTs, Dxis, plugins, etc? Will they run in
>> Linux?
>>
>> RM
>
> I presume you're being facetious, but in case you're not: There are
> Windows emulators on Linux. The actual binary code doesn't have to
> change (since it'd be running on the same processor as Windows does) but
> the file format for the linker/loader (what does the DLL call and what
> functions does it expose?) has to be interpretted and all of the system
> calls have to be redirected to the Linux equivalant.
>
> It would be possible to move all the Windows plug-ins over via
> emulation, but I doubt it's been done yet. Perhaps it has though - the
> technology is there on Linux and source code is probably available.

Here's a list of VST plugins that are known to work in Ardour on x86 Linux
under Wine/FST emulation. The main stumbling block at the moment is the
redistribution licence for the VST header files that requires you to
either download them separately from Steinberg and compile VST support
yourself (difficult), or buy a distro like Fervent. There is little to no
efficiency hit from the 'emulation' as far as I know. Running VST plugins
is Linux is still pretty raw, though it's easier than running Jack apps in
Windows. :)

AbsynthVST.dll
Ambience.dll
AnechoicRoomSimulator.dll
+armonicos2.dll
BarsStripes.dll
Battery Demo.dll
Big Tick Hexaline.dll
BLOCKFISH.dll
Boss DS-1.dll
Boss SD-1.dll
Classic Delay.dll
Classic EQ.dll
Crystal.dll
Cyanide2.dll
DebaserDemo.dll
DeeLay_sm.dll
Delay Lama.dll
deloizer095.dll
DFX Transverb.dll
Didjerimoog.dll
dominion v1.2.dll
dronebox.dll
Drumatic_22.dll
E-Kit_trigger.dll
endorphin.dll
E-Phonic XPressor.dll
ersdrums.dll
FLOORFISH.dll
Frohmage.dll
GoldenGate.dll
H2O.dll
JS Vibrato V1.0.dll
jultram.dll
Kontakt Demo.dll
KTGranulator.dll
Laidback-er.dll
LoopaZoid.dll
mabento.dll
MadShifta.dll
mda DX10.dll
mda ePiano.dll
mda Piano.dll
MjMultibandCompressor.dll
MjRotoDelay.dll
NUSofting_HarpTime_fun_Demo.dll
NUSofting_Kazootronica.dll
Octaver12B.dll
Paax.dll
ParisEQ.dll
relofter.dll
resolator_1.03_demo.dll
RetroDelay.dll
SIR_086.dll
SIR_1005.dll
SIR.dll
sloper.dll
SoloString_v10.dll
SpaceLab_Cmpr.dll
SpaceLab_CmprMono.dll
SpaceLab_CombEmu.dll
SPITFISH.dll
Stretch & Squash.dll
SupaPhaser.dll
Syntar.dll
Tape Delay.dll
TapeStop.dll
THD.dll
themodulator2.dll
TLs_Maximizer.dll
ToW_Compressor.dll
Trancemitter.dll
TubeLimit.dll
VoxengoElephant.dll
VoxengoElephantHQ.dll
WNMiasma.dll

>
> FWIW, I'm somewhat interested in how things are shaping up like on
> Linux, but I'm less thrilled with some troll doing a spamming cross-post
> for the education.
>
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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 07:25:22 -0700, blckout420 wrote:

> I really wish these Linux geeks would stop cross posting in rec.audio.
> pro.
>
> We don't care what you use. You are just annoying.

This is about recording software. Therefore as far as I'm concerned the
discussion is on topic for rec.audio.pro. I agree the particular OS the
software runs on is irrelevent, unless it affects audio production in some
way.
 
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In article <MPG.1d148723cd44a82898ab30@text.giganews.com> Richie Miller <> writes:

> ROFL. Linux and SB Live.

A match made in heaven, for sure.

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Yes, I mean who doesn't want to jump through hoops and make it more
complex to record than necessary? I ask you. Run an emulator to use
apps that I can run in Windows itself with full compatibility? If that
floats your boat, more power to you. Can you explain again why anyone
would want to switch from Windows/Mac to Linux for recording? I fail to
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In article <1118499922.679892.323530@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> blckout420@aol.com writes:

> We don't care what you use. You are just annoying.

Actually, I would be interested to know what advantages he finds over
those other programs. But they never seem to tell us about any
functional advantages.

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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:43:20 GMT, philicorda
<philicorda@localhost.com> wrote:

>Here's a list of VST plugins that are known to work in Ardour on x86 Linux
>under Wine/FST emulation. The main stumbling block at the moment is the
>redistribution licence for the VST header files that requires you to
>either download them separately from Steinberg and compile VST support
>yourself (difficult), or buy a distro like Fervent. There is little to no
>efficiency hit from the 'emulation' as far as I know. Running VST plugins
>is Linux is still pretty raw, though it's easier than running Jack apps in
>Windows. :)
>
>AbsynthVST.dll
>Ambience.dll
>AnechoicRoomSimulator.dll

<snip-snip>

Sorry..... using real time applications running under an emulation
does not cut it. I have nothing against Linux and it's variations but
there is currently no way you can come close to matching features
available in modern Windows sequencers. About a year ago I was willing
to give Linux a try but after a lot of investigation I soon realized
it what a futile attempt it would become.

To say nothing of the lack of audio card support. Specifically, full
featured audio support. What good is having an audio card that
supports 16 channels I/O, ADAT compatibility, S/PDIF... if under Linux
all you get is stereo I/O.

re: Linux

I like the idea... but I'd rather pay for what works and what I need.

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It's not like the code is emulated. The binaries will run at normal
speed because it's all Intel code being run. The work was done at load
time, patching up references to code that doesn't really exist.

KO

Aphelion wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:43:20 GMT, philicorda
> <philicorda@localhost.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Here's a list of VST plugins that are known to work in Ardour on x86 Linux
>>under Wine/FST emulation. The main stumbling block at the moment is the
>>redistribution licence for the VST header files that requires you to
>>either download them separately from Steinberg and compile VST support
>>yourself (difficult), or buy a distro like Fervent. There is little to no
>>efficiency hit from the 'emulation' as far as I know. Running VST plugins
>>is Linux is still pretty raw, though it's easier than running Jack apps in
>>Windows. :)
>>
>>AbsynthVST.dll
>>Ambience.dll
>>AnechoicRoomSimulator.dll
>
>
> <snip-snip>
>
> Sorry..... using real time applications running under an emulation
> does not cut it. I have nothing against Linux and it's variations but
> there is currently no way you can come close to matching features
> available in modern Windows sequencers. About a year ago I was willing
> to give Linux a try but after a lot of investigation I soon realized
> it what a futile attempt it would become.
>
> To say nothing of the lack of audio card support. Specifically, full
> featured audio support. What good is having an audio card that
> supports 16 channels I/O, ADAT compatibility, S/PDIF... if under Linux
> all you get is stereo I/O.
>
> re: Linux
>
> I like the idea... but I'd rather pay for what works and what I need.
>
> Ap
 
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In article <42aae257$0$1958$8046368a@newsreader.iphouse.net>,
kraigoNOSPAM@bitstream.net says...
> Richie Miller wrote:
>
> > Interesting. What about all those VSTs, Dxis, plugins, etc? Will they run in
> > Linux?
> >
> > RM
>
>
> FWIW, I'm somewhat interested in how things are shaping up like on
> Linux, but I'm less thrilled with some troll doing a spamming cross-post
> for the education.

KO, if you didn't read my earlier post about this Linux distro CD product
(Studio to Go!), you might want to check it out - I am NOT a Linux user, but
found this while doing some research on this subject.

For PC Audio recording enthusiasts <g> (no Mac CD available) who are curious
about how the Linux Audio world is shaping up - Fervent Software has put
together a collection that doesn't even require install to disk, just a fast
enough computer with adequate RAM (and, of course, a supported Audio card)
to test the Linux OS and Linux Audio software at the same time. Current
pricing: GBP 49.99 (USD 90.85)

After reading Fervent Software's - public forum - it seems they have done
extensive testing with quite a few computer and audio card combinations, and
have accomplished a fairly painless method for the Linux novice to test the
waters - Load the CD, reboot, and a Linux OS is loaded with the Linux audio
software.

Studio to Go!
http://www.ferventsoftware.com/

Bascially, a commercial linux install (or run from CD) with a lot of the
linux audio software programs that has been mentioned. (Also, there are
similar non-commercial linux projects such as the AGNULA project -
http://www.agnula.org/ - refer to this Sound On Sound article for an
overview of the AGNULA project - http://tinyurl.com/akklh, also SOS article
on Studio to Go! - http://tinyurl.com/9zw7m)

"Studio..to go! is a complete music production environment on a single CD.
What's truly remarkable is you don't have to install any software before you
start using it!

Put the CD in the drive, reboot your computer and get dropped into a
complete music production environment including sequencer, MIDI and Audio
editors, scoring support, soft synths, drum machines, CD ripping and burning
and mastering software. You can use your existing VST plugins and VST
instruments and any Soundfonts with the Studio..to go! software immediately.
When you're done recording you can save your compositions to a USB key and
take them and your software away with you to use on another computer!"

David

>
> KO
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Thanks David. Perhaps we'll make a silk purse out of this sow's ear of
a thread yet!

KO

David Troxell - Encourager Software wrote:

> In article <42aae257$0$1958$8046368a@newsreader.iphouse.net>,
> kraigoNOSPAM@bitstream.net says...
>
>>Richie Miller wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Interesting. What about all those VSTs, Dxis, plugins, etc? Will they run in
>>>Linux?
>>>
>>>RM
>>
>>
>>FWIW, I'm somewhat interested in how things are shaping up like on
>>Linux, but I'm less thrilled with some troll doing a spamming cross-post
>>for the education.
>
>
> KO, if you didn't read my earlier post about this Linux distro CD product
> (Studio to Go!), you might want to check it out - I am NOT a Linux user, but
> found this while doing some research on this subject.
>
> For PC Audio recording enthusiasts <g> (no Mac CD available) who are curious
> about how the Linux Audio world is shaping up - Fervent Software has put
> together a collection that doesn't even require install to disk, just a fast
> enough computer with adequate RAM (and, of course, a supported Audio card)
> to test the Linux OS and Linux Audio software at the same time. Current
> pricing: GBP 49.99 (USD 90.85)
>
> After reading Fervent Software's - public forum - it seems they have done
> extensive testing with quite a few computer and audio card combinations, and
> have accomplished a fairly painless method for the Linux novice to test the
> waters - Load the CD, reboot, and a Linux OS is loaded with the Linux audio
> software.
>
> Studio to Go!
> http://www.ferventsoftware.com/
>
> Bascially, a commercial linux install (or run from CD) with a lot of the
> linux audio software programs that has been mentioned. (Also, there are
> similar non-commercial linux projects such as the AGNULA project -
> http://www.agnula.org/ - refer to this Sound On Sound article for an
> overview of the AGNULA project - http://tinyurl.com/akklh, also SOS article
> on Studio to Go! - http://tinyurl.com/9zw7m)
>
> "Studio..to go! is a complete music production environment on a single CD.
> What's truly remarkable is you don't have to install any software before you
> start using it!
>
> Put the CD in the drive, reboot your computer and get dropped into a
> complete music production environment including sequencer, MIDI and Audio
> editors, scoring support, soft synths, drum machines, CD ripping and burning
> and mastering software. You can use your existing VST plugins and VST
> instruments and any Soundfonts with the Studio..to go! software immediately.
> When you're done recording you can save your compositions to a USB key and
> take them and your software away with you to use on another computer!"
>
> David
>
>
>>KO
>>
>
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> You can use your existing VST plugins and VST
> instruments and any Soundfonts with the Studio..to go! software immediately.
>
And there it is folks. Very interesting indeed.

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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 15:36:14 -0700, J.C. Scott wrote:

> Yes, I mean who doesn't want to jump through hoops and make it more
> complex to record than necessary? I ask you. Run an emulator to use
> apps that I can run in Windows itself with full compatibility? If that
> floats your boat, more power to you. Can you explain again why anyone
> would want to switch from Windows/Mac to Linux for recording? I fail to
> see any real benefit.

I gave dynebolic a try and it is pretty decent.
However, even the most basic Windows/Mac program blows away anything on
the dynebolic CDROM. The biggest problem is getting all the linux programs
to play nice together in the sandbox. I have a MAudio Delta 1010 and the
Linux mixers are a mess for this unit. I tried getting the envy24 mixer to
work but I couldn't because it said I had to compile something.
I was lost.
I have no idea what sound driver Linux is using because it seems there are
many.
IMHO the entire thing is a gigantic mess.
I purchased Sony Soundforge 8.0 for $99.00.
It installed in 2 minutes or less and I was up and running.
I have been trying to make Linux Audio work for 2 weeks now and while I
have made progress I'm not really sure I see anything that is better than
the Windows programs I am currently using.
Ok, so it's free. Big deal.
My time is usually not free, although this past week has been dry which is
why I have the time to fool with Linux.
The reality is that I could never see any musician wasting time with Linux
even if it is free.
Powertracks, N-tracks and even audacity for Windows is much better and
will have anyone up and tracking before the creative juices dry up.
Linux?
It's like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, at least for audio
work.
I am trying to install it on my server though and have been getting great
help from the Linux community.

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