Lebanon Considers Banning Blackberrys Too

[sevyr]

[citation][nom]regulas[/nom]Who cares, what these "We want to live in the stone ages" Muslim countries think anyway.[/citation]

I'm just wondering how you would feel if no one gave a rat's ass about your country or what you think. That's just cruel no matter from what way you look at it. 🙁 I'm really sad you said something like that, no matter who you point the finger at.

oh yes and please explain the Amish to me

They are another sect of Christianity who do not want to to modern day conveniences, am i right? There's also some Muslims who think Amish-ly as well. That's it. But why should we complain and nag about it? They live their lives the way they want to live it and we live our lives the way we want to live ours.

I know some people whose families are from these backgrounds. Some of them embracing the whole idea, some embrace technology equally with religion and one is an Atheist. But why should we care about the way they live, when they are already charming people who are happy with the way they are and are really good friends.

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asides all of this - why is everyone in the Middle East so obsessed with the Turkish Dramas nowadays xD *cough*MBC4*cough*

 

[Silmarunya]

[citation][nom]regulas[/nom]Liberal, are you on freaking crack. If I go to Saudi with a Bible I go prison. Women must wear veils or the clothing police will get them. They can not drive in most of them or go to school in some. Again get off your drugs so you can think straight.[/citation]

Saudi-Arabia is NOT representative for the Middle-East as a whole. What you're doing is the same as me saying the entire US is full of drug addicted celebs because LA happens to be on US territory.

And if you're a rational person, you don't take a Bible with you on holiday - religion is not something that has a place in a modern nation that claims to be better than islamic ones.

 

[fayzaan]

[citation][nom]regulas[/nom]"Quran that protect the basic rights and freedoms of people which include privacy."Yes so tolerant that they stone women in Iran and execute Sodomites. Yes a very tolerant false religion indeed.Now go back to your community crack pipe at the local corner coffee shop.[/citation]


yay the ignorance is high in here! haha I am not even going to bother responding to your comments because they are ridiculously stupid.

You need to re-educate yourself about Islam because your comments are incorrect.

 

[tommysch]

[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]Because the US economy would collapse in two months without Saudi oil. That's why the US is pretending Saudis are allies even with their appalling human rights record and the fact that 18 out of 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudis.[/citation]

There is another way... Imperialism. Why do we even need to pay them for the oil when we can just take it for free?

 

[tallguy1618]

[citation][nom]TommySch[/nom]There is another way... Imperialism. Why do we even need to pay them for the oil when we can just take it for free?[/citation]
Look at whats happened in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that will show you how well Imperialism has worked out for the US.

 

[irh_1974]

[citation][nom]killerclick[/nom]Because the US economy would collapse in two months without Saudi oil. That's why the US is pretending Saudis are allies even with their appalling human rights record and the fact that 18 out of 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudis.[/citation]
Uh, dude, doesn't the US buy the oil from the Saudis? Forgetting the chaos that not having oil to run cars and powerplants would cause it's the Saudi's that would suffer by having the US stop buying their oil. As soon as the developed nations figure out Fusion then all the oil-rich Arab nations are in deep crap when they find they can't just drink the stuff - and when no one needs to go there for oil anyone there will be no need to interfere in their affairs so no more dead soldiers on CNN every day. Arab nations need to understand this pretty quick.

 

[ss78]

@regulas, Christianity and Judaism also punish (and stone/kill) sodomites/prostitutes/adulterers. Iran would have been a democracy long ago had it not been for the US/UK assisting the Shah's return to power.

I am surprised your hate filled posts have not been deleted. I don't live in the US but if I was to use your lack of logic I would assume you all carry machine guns, wear KKK masks if you're caucasion, belong in prison if you're not, buy drugs next to guns in every store and marry your parents or brothers/sisters. Is this true???

 

[smile9999]

for all the ppl that blame islam for this(dont know how), Lebanon president is christian and almost 50% of the population is christian, so plz shut your ignorant holes, plz ppl educate yourself dont take the hype media for the truth.

 

[irh_1974]

[citation][nom]smile9999[/nom]for all the ppl that blame islam for this(dont know how), Lebanon president is christian and almost 50% of the population is christian, so plz shut your ignorant holes, plz ppl educate yourself dont take the hype media for the truth.[/citation]
OK, let's keep religeon out of it, it not fair that being muslim, jewish or christian should determine a nations identity.
So.
Now we have put that behind us, why does Lebanon keep attacking Israel? Why has it done nothing to prevent dedicated terrorist elements operating in it's borders? Obviously can't be anything to do with Israel being a Jewish state because religeon has nothing to do with it - right?

 

[ss78]

Now you want to go into politics? Israel invaded Lebanon about 30 years ago. Back then the PLO was in Lebanon but had a deal with Israel that they will not attack them from there thus keeping Israel out of what was an ongoing civil war in the country. Israel was attacked, they accused the PLO and invaded Lebanon. Israel apparently knew those responsible were rivals of the PLO and therefore had no justification to invade but the Israeli government used it as an excuse to do so. At the time the Shiites in the south of Lebanon had remained out of most of the civil war but with Israel coming through them into the country they were forced to intervene thus eventually forming Hezbollah. Hezbollah has many other roots but this is one of the defining moments that forced its formation. Israel's involvement in Lebanon is quite a serious one, their support of the Phalange forced Ariel Sharon to quit his position back then after they massacred thousands(number has never been verified due to Israel's attempt to bury the dead before the reporters were allowed in) of Palestinian refugees once again accusing the PLO of something they hadn't done. The refugees they massacred were promised US protection but they never got any.

After Israel pulled out several years later they still had countless Lebanese prisoners in Israel. Hezbollah may not have done the right thing attacking Israel but there is no peace deal between the two countries and Israel has not released their captured, why has no one spoken of them? If Israel invades over one soldier, how many Lebanese need to be captured by Israel for them to justify an attack? Not a smart move, but Israel had no right to invade Lebanon back then. Also Lebanon doesn't "attack" Israel, there are skirmishes that threaten to escalate but rarely does that happen. How many times do you think Israel has invaded Lebanese airspace though? It is more often than you think.

Now let's forget this ridiculous topic. None of these countries will ban the BB, Saudi is already in talks to negotiate an agreement and so will the others.

 

[irh_1974]

[citation][nom]ss78[/nom]Now you want to go into politics? Israel invaded Lebanon about 30 years ago. Back then the PLO was in Lebanon but had a deal with Israel that they will not attack them from there thus keeping Israel out of what was an ongoing civil war in the country. Israel was attacked, they accused the PLO and invaded Lebanon. Israel apparently knew those responsible were rivals of the PLO and therefore had no justification to invade but the Israeli government used it as an excuse to do so. At the time the Shiites in the south of Lebanon had remained out of most of the civil war but with Israel coming through them into the country they were forced to intervene thus eventually forming Hezbollah. Hezbollah has many other roots but this is one of the defining moments that forced its formation. Israel's involvement in Lebanon is quite a serious one, their support of the Phalange forced Ariel Sharon to quit his position back then after they massacred thousands(number has never been verified due to Israel's attempt to bury the dead before the reporters were allowed in) of Palestinian refugees once again accusing the PLO of something they hadn't done. The refugees they massacred were promised US protection but they never got any.After Israel pulled out several years later they still had countless Lebanese prisoners in Israel. Hezbollah may not have done the right thing attacking Israel but there is no peace deal between the two countries and Israel has not released their captured, why has no one spoken of them? If Israel invades over one soldier, how many Lebanese need to be captured by Israel for them to justify an attack? Not a smart move, but Israel had no right to invade Lebanon back then. Also Lebanon doesn't "attack" Israel, there are skirmishes that threaten to escalate but rarely does that happen. How many times do you think Israel has invaded Lebanese airspace though? It is more often than you think.Now let's forget this ridiculous topic. None of these countries will ban the BB, Saudi is already in talks to negotiate an agreement and so will the others.[/citation]
Links? Sources? Facts?
I assume you mean this conflict
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War
I suppose that after attempting to assassinate the Israeli Ambassador in the UK was just an accident. They started it, the same way they started it back in 1948
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab-Israeli_war
I supoose that being attacked simulaniously by not 1 but 5 Arab nations isn't about religeon either. The Nazis wanted to exterminate the Jews and so did the Arabs.
Problem is, after what happened they weren't going to take that kind of shit from anyone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon
They just dont know when to quit, when they weren't fighting their neighbours, including Syria, they were fighting each other.

We can read, some of us are old enough to remember it and unless you can show pretty compelling evidence it doesn't look good for Lebanon. Not a peaceful nation.

 

[irh_1974]

Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria attacked the state of Israel, leading to fighting mostly on the former territory of the British Mandate and for a short time also on the Sinai Peninsula and southern Lebanon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab-Israeli_war
Direct quote, so it was Israel that started it again was it?

On 10 July 1981, violence erupted in South Lebanon and Northern Israel. Israel renewed its air strikes after the PLO began shelling northern Israel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War
Another direct quote, they started it again, PLO shelled Northern Israel, so they fought back.

 

[irh_1974]

The conflict began when Hezbollah militants fired rockets at Israeli border towns as a diversion for an anti-tank missile attack on two armored Humvees patrolling the Israeli side of the border fence.[29] The ambush left three soldiers dead. Two additional soldiers, believed to have been killed outright or mortally wounded, were snatched by Hezbollah to Lebanon.[30][31][29] Five more were killed in a failed rescue attempt. Israel responded with massive airstrikes and artillery fire

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War
Another direct quote, i'm spotting a pattern here, are you?
Lebanon shoots bigger, more powerful neighbour. They get the shit kicked out of them. 30-ish years later they try again. Expect another one of these around 2035-ish, I wonder if they are thinking 4th time is a charm...

 

[alexapi32]

They should ban Apple products instead, atleast they will free they people the misery.

 

[heavy weapons guy]

Guys - I really doubt these guys are serious - Obvious Trolls are Obvious. They are just feeding on us and they are trying to get us riled up.

Other than that i still need to say - stop talking about other peoples religions. It's rude. If your religion is such a peaceful religion then maybe it has taught you to respect other peoples feelings. It is EXTREMELY RUDE to go to some country and call everyone's God a false god. It doesn't matter if you are telling the truth, because what you are doing is still wrong.

Moreover, do not take paragraphs out of Holy Books and preach about it. God (no matter who's God we may be talking about) - merciful and almighty - would sure not like you to miscommunicate these teachings to the world. In this world we have many educated people who have dedicated their lives to learn and understand the Bible and the Quran and any other Holy Book i may be missing. Taking verses out of the Quran and Bible and teaching them in your own way is definitely NOT what any God would want. These Educated Humans have dedicated their lives to teach God's ways the way they are supposed to be percieved by every human on Earth. I would find it extremely hard on myself to teach even the smallest and easiest verse from any of these books. The pressure to pass on God's teachings the way it's supposed to be taught.

Life. We live life to experience and help one another. Help one another and be kind to one another. Have respect to Human Beings and Animals alike - no matter their background and personality. You obviously have no respect and no decency.

I have told you this once and there is no need to tell you this again. Whether what i told you enters your brain or not. Gd night.

 

[ss78]

@irh_1974 LOL if you want to debate this we can find some other forum. Ultimately Israel's premise of being a state for jews only is apartheid at its worst. Also your premise of Arabs wanting to exterminate the Jews is rather ignorant considering Jews had been living in the Middle East for centuries and had yet to be exterminated. How did they survive?

As for your quotes, I can go on and on with your about them but if you want to blame one side after claiming to read everything then is there much of a point to argue that Israel was wrong or both sides were? Enjoy your ignorant stance, I've learned over the years to just avoid debating a dead horse

 

[irh_1974]

[citation][nom]ss78[/nom]@irh_1974 LOL if you want to debate this we can find some other forum. Ultimately Israel's premise of being a state for jews only is apartheid at its worst. Also your premise of Arabs wanting to exterminate the Jews is rather ignorant considering Jews had been living in the Middle East for centuries and had yet to be exterminated. How did they survive?As for your quotes, I can go on and on with your about them but if you want to blame one side after claiming to read everything then is there much of a point to argue that Israel was wrong or both sides were? Enjoy your ignorant stance, I've learned over the years to just avoid debating a dead horse[/citation]
I would rather not debate it at all, but stating a lie then saying, "OK, let's stop talking about it now" just wont fly.
Example?
Someone says, "Japan dropped an atomic bomb on the USA". Obvious lie, but unless someone counters it will become accepted fact.
Point?
You state Israel started these conflicts. They didn't. I dont have an ignorant stance, I dont even have an opinion, but what I do have is an annoyance when an obvious lie is pushed out and needs to be rectified.

 

[sevyr]

irh

ok...but you can't really prove any of the sides started it...ss78 is not lying, not at all, but your facts can also be justified. None of you are actual liers. It's just that you aren't seeing both sides of the story. Lebanon does not want to fight Israel. There is just a group of people in Lebanon who do. And they are a minority. The rest are people who just want to live their own lives in peace. C'mon!!! Lebanon never invaded Israel. Israel invaded Lebanon. Twice. And Lebanon kicked them out. Twice. Do you disagree?

Idk about Israel, but they probably did not want to attack Lebanon anymore. The first time they attacked they got their asses kicked out and saw no need for another full scale war. Everyone in Lebanon was sure there wouldn't be another war. So don't blame either side. Blame the warmongers between all the Israeli and Lebanese citizens for the second war on Lebanese grounds.

And just an FYI - there were many tourists including Americans, British, you name it in Lebanon during the invasion. That's very thoughtful of Israel huh? My brother was stuck there for a month. You know how terrifying it is?

Now the issue that people don't see, is not the Israel/Lebanon war, but the Lebanese Civil War. Don't read biased articles. AND DONT GO TO WIKIPEDIA. WIKIPEDIA CAN BE EDITED BY ANYBODY. AND THE MODERATORS ON THERE MIGHT BE BIASED TOO. WHO KNOWS!!! But America has been trying to help Lebanon defeat the terrorist groups in their country. Lebanon has defeated one before...but now they are coming again...and all you care about is "they are to blame for the war!".

God - i hate Politics.

 

[sevyr]

[citation][nom]irh_1974[/nom]OK, let's keep religeon out of it, it not fair that being muslim, jewish or christian should determine a nations identity.So.Now we have put that behind us, why does Lebanon keep attacking Israel? Why has it done nothing to prevent dedicated terrorist elements operating in it's borders? Obviously can't be anything to do with Israel being a Jewish state because religeon has nothing to do with it - right?[/citation]

Forgot to answer this = no it has nothing to do with that. Im being serious. There are many jews in Lebanon and many lebanese jews. Ill show you a pic of a Church next to a Mosque in dowtown Beirut. There is Also a Jewish Church, i think 2 blocks away(idk what its actually called - I'm really sorry) but it's being rebuilt (just take a guess how it was destroyed...yes, in the war)
church+mosque (it's quite awesome)

It is because they don't believe Israel deserve to be there. Do you know Palestine? no? Can't see it on the map? That's because Israel took over. Lebanon is Allies with Palestine not with Israel. So they wanna help Palestine, but they definitely did not go full war on Israel. Israel attacked Lebanon when it saw that they were helping Palestine out. After they failed an invasion and Lebanon kept it on the down low, they felt they didn't need to invade again...UNTIL....you know what happened next 😛
And the reason why Lebanon didn't attack Israel is because USA would bomb them to oblivion. The bombings was just them strategically pulling Palestinians out, without aggravating America, but surely enough aggravated Israel. What was Lebanon gonna do? Stand by while it's old neighbor gets robbed of their freedom? But i still don't like the wars at all, no matter who started it.

 

[Reynod]

Just a quick update.

One of the other moderators banned two users here yesterday for posting hateful comments about various religions.

This is after my warning two days ago.

One of those users has been permabanned.

You need to realise the moderators here will not tolerate racist or other comments denigrating a particular religion.

We want ALL users, irrespective of race, creed, or religious affiliation to feel they can participate in a positive and collaborative way at TG.

We have 18 moderators from 9 different countries ...

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Please work with us.

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