My TiVo has been struck dumb

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On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:41:25 GMT, graham@dircon.co.uk wrote:

>On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:48:12 +0100, Dom Robinson
><Usetheaddress@inthesig.com> wrote:
>
>
>>You can record one channel while watching something back from the box, and
>>given that Sky and other channels repeat most prime-time things within the
>>week they've rather shot themselves in the foot claiming that as a must-have
>>feature
>
>That's wrong.
>
>For well over a year it has been possible to record two programmes on
>a Sky+ box at the same time whilst watching a 3rd programme back off
>the same Sky+ box.

I think you've misread Dom. He's acknowledging that it is possible,
but saying that it's pointless because Sky repeat stuff so often.


andyt

 

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On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:56:50 GMT, Andy Turner
<andyt@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:41:25 GMT, graham@dircon.co.uk wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:48:12 +0100, Dom Robinson
>><Usetheaddress@inthesig.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You can record one channel while watching something back from the box, and
>>>given that Sky and other channels repeat most prime-time things within the
>>>week they've rather shot themselves in the foot claiming that as a must-have
>>>feature
>>
>>That's wrong.
>>
>>For well over a year it has been possible to record two programmes on
>>a Sky+ box at the same time whilst watching a 3rd programme back off
>>the same Sky+ box.
>
>I think you've misread Dom. He's acknowledging that it is possible,
>but saying that it's pointless because Sky repeat stuff so often.

I read what he said. I now understand what he is getting at.

However, I would again have to disagree with him. There are lots of
programmes that are shown once only.

The whole point of a personal video recorder is that you can record
what you want to watch within reason. A box that can only record one
channel at a time for me would be a complete and utter waste of time.

Graham

 

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> I never turn my PCs off. They've been on for nearly decades!
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<graham@dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> The whole point of a personal video recorder is that you can record
> what you want to watch within reason. A box that can only record one
> channel at a time for me would be a complete and utter waste of time.
>
> Graham
>
>

Is that why you've never owned a VCR or even a TV until you got a DVR that
has duel tuners?
OR
Has your life only recently become so pathetic that you feel the need to
watch so much TV?

 

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"Heracles Pollux" <e304233@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I never turn my PCs off. They've been on for nearly decades!
>
That would make for some very old and very slow computers that can't do
much by todays standards.

 

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On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:18:13 GMT, graham@dircon.co.uk wrote:

>On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:56:50 GMT, Andy Turner
><andyt@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:41:25 GMT, graham@dircon.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:48:12 +0100, Dom Robinson
>>><Usetheaddress@inthesig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>You can record one channel while watching something back from the box, and
>>>>given that Sky and other channels repeat most prime-time things within the
>>>>week they've rather shot themselves in the foot claiming that as a must-have
>>>>feature
>>>
>>>That's wrong.
>>>
>>>For well over a year it has been possible to record two programmes on
>>>a Sky+ box at the same time whilst watching a 3rd programme back off
>>>the same Sky+ box.
>>
>>I think you've misread Dom. He's acknowledging that it is possible,
>>but saying that it's pointless because Sky repeat stuff so often.
>
>I read what he said. I now understand what he is getting at.
>
>However, I would again have to disagree with him. There are lots of
>programmes that are shown once only.

I have *never* had the problem, as far as I am aware, of Tivo having a
clash of two programmes that I wanted to record. The closest I know of
is Dream Team (which the wife likes!), and Top Gear. Whenever they
clash, Tivo records the repeat of Top Gear on Tuesday instead. Of
course, since Dream Team is also repeated, it could do it either way
around.


>The whole point of a personal video recorder is that you can record
>what you want to watch within reason. A box that can only record one
>channel at a time for me would be a complete and utter waste of time.

So what did you have beforehand?!


andyt

 

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In article <7ba6a111qn7p7edqbtv8dkfsr9j7dqp5n7@4ax.com>, graham@dircon.co.uk wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:47:22 +0100, Dom Robinson
><Usetheaddress@inthesig.com> wrote:
>
>>We all have to sleep or work, or even both, but you won't get the full value
>>of the tremendous beast that is a TiVo and which pisses all over a Sky+ from a
>>great height.
>
> ...Until you want to try recording two programmes whilst watching a
> 3rd programme off the box at the same time.

Still pisses on it from a great height even then.

Smid

 

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graham@dircon.co.uk wrote:
> However, I would again have to disagree with him. There are lots of
> programmes that are shown once only.

News at Ten ?

> The whole point of a personal video recorder is that you can record
> what you want to watch within reason. A box that can only record one
> channel at a time for me would be a complete and utter waste of time.

Tivo does a good job of deciding what you *would have wanted* to watch
and recording it for you, *in advance*.
You always have a list of whole programs/filsm to watch on tivo,
sky+ is a glorified VCR, not a PVR

Is it worth losing all the tivo functionality and ease of use for an extra
tuner?
Those that have used both tivo and sky+, say no.

The problem is that tivo is less known in the UK, sky+ owners think it's
just like sky+, but with only one tuner, its actually much more than that.

I've been trying MCE 2005 this month, its better than sky+, but not a
tivo-killer (yet).

--
Mike

 

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* graham@dircon.co.uk wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:47:22 +0100, Dom Robinson
><Usetheaddress@inthesig.com> wrote:


>>We all have to sleep or work, or even both, but you won't get the full value
>>of the tremendous beast that is a TiVo and which pisses all over a Sky+ from a
>>great height.

> ...Until you want to try recording two programmes whilst watching a
> 3rd programme off the box at the same time.

My Tivo does that.

--
David
No, that'd be silly.
-- Larry Wall in <199710221710.KAA24242@wall.org>

 

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In <f8u6a1tmsh3rek983ioqu9ka6j9it515q7@4ax.com>, graham@dircon.co.uk
wrote:

>The whole point of a personal video recorder is that you can record
>what you want to watch within reason. A box that can only record one
>channel at a time for me would be a complete and utter waste of time.

So the VCR you owned for 20 years was a complete and utter waste of
time?

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On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:54:40 GMT, "Mike Redrobe" <mike@redrobe.net>
wrote:


>Tivo does a good job of deciding what you *would have wanted* to watch
>and recording it for you, *in advance*.
>You always have a list of whole programs/filsm to watch on tivo,
>sky+ is a glorified VCR, not a PVR
>
>Is it worth losing all the tivo functionality and ease of use for an extra
>tuner?
>Those that have used both tivo and sky+, say no.

All the tivo functionality = a box that tells me what it thinks I
should watch, rather than recording what I want to record. Thanks, but
no thanks - I'll pass.

Graham

 

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<graham@dircon.co.uk> wrote in message news:v579a1tfob0mn2aqjdvnfs1o2medspu74t@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:54:40 GMT, "Mike Redrobe" <mike@redrobe.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> >Tivo does a good job of deciding what you *would have wanted* to watch
> >and recording it for you, *in advance*.
> >You always have a list of whole programs/filsm to watch on tivo,
> >sky+ is a glorified VCR, not a PVR
> >
> >Is it worth losing all the tivo functionality and ease of use for an extra
> >tuner?
> >Those that have used both tivo and sky+, say no.
>
> All the tivo functionality = a box that tells me what it thinks I
> should watch, rather than recording what I want to record. Thanks, but
> no thanks - I'll pass.
>

You appear to be confused. If my DirecTV DVR (TiVo) started recording
what it thinks I should watch, rather than recording what I want to view;
I would have returned the DVR as defective. I've not read of anyone having
this problem. It is obvious you don't have any experience with a TiVo.

 

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In article <7ba6a111qn7p7edqbtv8dkfsr9j7dqp5n7@4ax.com>, graham@dircon.co.uk
says...
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:47:22 +0100, Dom Robinson
> <Usetheaddress@inthesig.com> wrote:
>
>
> >We all have to sleep or work, or even both, but you won't get the full value
> >of the tremendous beast that is a TiVo and which pisses all over a Sky+ from a
> >great height.
>
> ...Until you want to try recording two programmes whilst watching a
> 3rd programme off the box at the same time.

As I stated previously, with the number of quick-repeats-within-the-week, it's
extremely unlikely that TWO subscription-based primetime shows will clash at
the same time, NEITHER of which get a quick repeat.

Whenever there's a clash between two things the TiVo finds the repeat of one
of them for me anyway, so I don't miss out.

And, like the Sky+, I can happily watch another show while recording one.
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In article <hga6a1prj36bceat97kaf9md2n19edhg9q@4ax.com>, graham@dircon.co.uk
says...
> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:48:12 +0100, Dom Robinson
> <Usetheaddress@inthesig.com> wrote:
>
>
> >You can record one channel while watching something back from the box, and
> >given that Sky and other channels repeat most prime-time things within the
> >week they've rather shot themselves in the foot claiming that as a must-have
> >feature
>
> That's wrong.
>
> For well over a year it has been possible to record two programmes on
> a Sky+ box at the same time whilst watching a 3rd programme back off
> the same Sky+ box.

Care to point out what was wrong about the above? I was referring to the TiVo,
given that's the subject, but you keep making it sound as if only the Sky+
allows you to watch already-recorded programmes while recording something at
the same time.

I'm purely indicating that this 'feature' of "record two shows at the same
time" is a rather redundant one, and that's coming from someone like me who
watches more TV than most.
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On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:29:13 +0100, Dom Robinson
<Usetheaddress@inthesig.com> wrote:

>In article <hga6a1prj36bceat97kaf9md2n19edhg9q@4ax.com>, graham@dircon.co.uk
>says...
>> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:48:12 +0100, Dom Robinson
>> <Usetheaddress@inthesig.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >You can record one channel while watching something back from the box, and
>> >given that Sky and other channels repeat most prime-time things within the
>> >week they've rather shot themselves in the foot claiming that as a must-have
>> >feature
>>
>> That's wrong.
>>
>> For well over a year it has been possible to record two programmes on
>> a Sky+ box at the same time whilst watching a 3rd programme back off
>> the same Sky+ box.
>
>Care to point out what was wrong about the above?

The fact that you claim Sky have shot themselves in the foot with this
feature.

>I'm purely indicating that this 'feature' of "record two shows at the same
>time" is a rather redundant one, and that's coming from someone like me who
>watches more TV than most.

Redudant in your case for the types of programmes that you watch.

Graham

 

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In article <f8u6a1tmsh3rek983ioqu9ka6j9it515q7@4ax.com>, graham@dircon.co.uk
says...
> On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:56:50 GMT, Andy Turner
> <andyt@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:41:25 GMT, graham@dircon.co.uk wrote:
> >
> >>On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:48:12 +0100, Dom Robinson
> >><Usetheaddress@inthesig.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>You can record one channel while watching something back from the box, and
> >>>given that Sky and other channels repeat most prime-time things within the
> >>>week they've rather shot themselves in the foot claiming that as a must-have
> >>>feature
> >>
> >>That's wrong.
> >>
> >>For well over a year it has been possible to record two programmes on
> >>a Sky+ box at the same time whilst watching a 3rd programme back off
> >>the same Sky+ box.
> >
> >I think you've misread Dom. He's acknowledging that it is possible,
> >but saying that it's pointless because Sky repeat stuff so often.
>
> I read what he said. I now understand what he is getting at.
>
> However, I would again have to disagree with him. There are lots of
> programmes that are shown once only.

But my point was that it's extremely unlikely for two primetime shows to be in
that situation, as opposed to one subscription and one terrestrial.

For example, let's say at 8pm tonight I wanted to record BOTH Eastenders on
BBC1 and Star Trek Enterprise on Sky Mix, while watching a recording of
Working Lunch earlier in the day, and let's assume neither of the first two
shows got a quick repeat within the week.

I'd simply watch EE on terrestrial while recording Star Trek and watch Working
Lunch afterwards.

> The whole point of a personal video recorder is that you can record
> what you want to watch within reason. A box that can only record one
> channel at a time for me would be a complete and utter waste of time.

Why? How often have two subscription-based primetime shows clashed that have
not got a quick repeat within the week? I bet you couldn't find many, and I
can't ever remember having that problem, due to the number of times certain
primetime shows are quick-repeated.

And you keep making it sound like all other PVRs act like a VCR, as if you
can't watch a second programme while recording the first.
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On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:33:13 +0100, Dom Robinson
<Usetheaddress@inthesig.com> wrote:


>But my point was that it's extremely unlikely for two primetime shows to be in
>that situation, as opposed to one subscription and one terrestrial.
>
Unlikely - but not impossible.

>For example, let's say at 8pm tonight I wanted to record BOTH Eastenders on
>BBC1 and Star Trek Enterprise on Sky Mix, while watching a recording of
>Working Lunch earlier in the day, and let's assume neither of the first two
>shows got a quick repeat within the week.
>
I don't watch lots of prime time shows. I tend to like history and
factual shows. Many of those programmes are not broadcast more than
once in a week.

Even the history channel that will show programmes over and over again
during a week will hit this problem. The history channel will have a
gap in their programming schedule and they will stick a one off filler
documentary into the listings. It is shown once only in that week.

>And you keep making it sound like all other PVRs act like a VCR, as if you
>can't watch a second programme while recording the first.

I've never said that. What I have said is that I like the ability to
record two channels whilst watching a 3rd off the box.

Clearly, you like to have the feature whereby Tivo "assists" you in
selecting what to watch. I prefer to have the ability to record 2
channels at the same time. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Graham

 

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In article <v579a1tfob0mn2aqjdvnfs1o2medspu74t@4ax.com>, graham@dircon.co.uk
says...
> On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:54:40 GMT, "Mike Redrobe" <mike@redrobe.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> >Tivo does a good job of deciding what you *would have wanted* to watch
> >and recording it for you, *in advance*.
> >You always have a list of whole programs/filsm to watch on tivo,
> >sky+ is a glorified VCR, not a PVR
> >
> >Is it worth losing all the tivo functionality and ease of use for an extra
> >tuner?
> >Those that have used both tivo and sky+, say no.
>
> All the tivo functionality = a box that tells me what it thinks I
> should watch, rather than recording what I want to record. Thanks, but
> no thanks - I'll pass.

In that case that proves you really haven't got a clue about TiVo.

Any recordings you set up on the TiVo will be recorded. If there's space on
the hard drive, and it's not recording anything you've set up, it may record
suggestions, all of which will be based on things you've recorded in the past.

I've watched a few things on a regular basis, because of the TiVo suggestion.

You seem to think that you might set up, say, Eastenders on BBC1, and the TiVo
will say, "Nah, I think you'd prefer Star Trek on Sky Mix". That doesn't
happen.
--

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On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:35:54 +0100, Dom Robinson
<Usetheaddress@inthesig.com> wrote:


>Any recordings you set up on the TiVo will be recorded. If there's space on
>the hard drive, and it's not recording anything you've set up, it may record
>suggestions, all of which will be based on things you've recorded in the past.
>
You are making the assumption that just because I have watched
something in the past that I would want the unit to record it again in
the future.

>You seem to think that you might set up, say, Eastenders on BBC1, and the TiVo
>will say, "Nah, I think you'd prefer Star Trek on Sky Mix". That doesn't
>happen.

I never said that and I do not think that.

Graham

 

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graham@dircon.co.uk wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 20:29:13 +0100, Dom Robinson
> <Usetheaddress@inthesig.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <hga6a1prj36bceat97kaf9md2n19edhg9q@4ax.com>,
>> graham@dircon.co.uk says...
>>> On Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:48:12 +0100, Dom Robinson
>>> <Usetheaddress@inthesig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> You can record one channel while watching something back from the
>>>> box, and given that Sky and other channels repeat most prime-time
>>>> things within the week they've rather shot themselves in the foot
>>>> claiming that as a must-have feature
>>>
>>> That's wrong.
>>>
>>> For well over a year it has been possible to record two programmes
>>> on a Sky+ box at the same time whilst watching a 3rd programme
>>> back off the same Sky+ box.
>>
>> Care to point out what was wrong about the above?
>
> The fact that you claim Sky have shot themselves in the foot with this
> feature.
>
>> I'm purely indicating that this 'feature' of "record two shows at
>> the same time" is a rather redundant one, and that's coming from
>> someone like me who watches more TV than most.
>
> Redudant in your case for the types of programmes that you watch.
>
> Graham

Personally I think that Dom's talking rubbish (as usual).

Although I love my TiVo I wish it had two tuners. I frequently have clashes
of programmes, normally dramas that occupy the 9pm slots on different
channels and are only shown once in the week. At the moment I use a VCR to
assist, as long as one of the programmes I want to watch is on terrestrial
of course.

I never watch TiVo's suggestions as I don't have time, so if it were a
choice between the TiVo suggestions and having two tuners I'd choose the
tuners.