OCZ Laptop

[Kaldor]

http/www.ocztechnology.com/aboutocz/press/2008/299

4XXX video cards in Xfire anyone?

Looks interesting, but I hope they dont require you to break the bank to get one.

 

[Maziar]

Where it says about HD 4xxx series? i think for now its for HD 3850/3870

 

[Kaldor]

3870's are called 3870's. Xotic just released them on their website fro Sagers. ATI M88XTs are a different animal all together. Leads me to believe they are 4XXX parts.

But hey, Ive been wrong before.

Further reading:
http/www.vr-zone.com/articles/OCZ_Unveiled_Centrino_2_DIY_Gaming_Notebook/5939.html
http/www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/07/15/analysis-ocz-newest-gamble-diy

 

[2Hytec]

Nah, the "ATI M88" is the "Mobility Radeon 3870". The Mobility Radeon 4800 series code named M9x (if the report is factual from tcmagazine, of course) just passed one hurdle recently to becoming available in the future for notebooks.


Hope this clears it up. Further reading:
Mobility-Radeon-48xx

 

[2Hytec]

I'm wondering though when the (Centrino 2 platform, w/ 8800M GTX or Mobility Radeon 3870 gfx card options) OCZ DIY 17" gaming notebook would be ready/available since they (www.OCZtechnology.com) had the notebook listed earlier tuesday morning on their website, but this evening, they took it down and currently only have OCZ DIY 15" (w/ GeForce 8600 card). Pricing would also be nice to have. N e ideas n e one (cause this looks like a solid package)?

 

[Kaldor]

Thanks for the heads up 2Hytec. Ive been hoping that ATI would get their collective a--es moving on the mobile front. Nvidia has been overcharging for their mobile cards for fair too long now.

Ive been wanting to buy a Sager 579X for quite awhile now, but refuse to pay $500 for a 8800MGTX that based on technology 2 years old. A single 4870 would be really nice in that machine.

 

[Maziar]

8800MGTX doesn't use the old year technology,it has the specs of
8800GTS 640 but it has newer architecture than it and it falls between the performance of 8800GTS 640 and 8800GT 512 and 2 of these beasts beat any single "Desktop" cards out there in almost every game

 

[cjl]

It's closer to the specs of an 8800 GT 512. Definitely not bad for a laptop card

 

[Maziar]

Yeah Btw did u get my PM cjl?

 

[cjl]

Yep

Sounds like you should be quite happy soon

 

[Maziar]

Hopefully yes

 

[Kaldor]

The 8800MGTX isnt even as fast as a desktop 8800 GT, or a 8800 GTS 512, and wont touch a true 8800 GTX. Its about the same as the dog slow in comparison 8800 GTS 640, which is approaching old age. Specs below. The 9800MGTX is probably about on par with the 8800 GT. Nvidia is selling 2 year old tech, for about $500 a pop. Thats because they have the only decent solution out there at this time.

8800M GTX - about $500
Stream Processors - 96
Core Clock (MHz) - 500
Shader Clock (MHz) - 1250
Memory Clock (MHz) - 800
Maximum Memory - 512MB
Memory Interface - 256-bit

9800MGTX - unknown, guessing $500+
Compute Cores - 112 (probably the same as a stream processor)
Gigaflops - 420
Nvidia makes almost no information about this chip available as of yet. Anyone have all the info for this?

8800 GT - $140 before rebates
Stream Processors 112
Core Clock (MHz) 600 MHz
Shader Clock (MHz) 1500 MHz
Memory Clock (MHz) 900 MHz
Memory Amount 512MB
Memory Interface 256-bit

8800 GTS 640 - $180
Stream Processors 96+
Core Clock (MHz) 500 MHz
Shader Clock (MHz) 1200 MHz
Memory Clock (MHz) 800 MHz
Memory Amount 640 MB
Memory Interface 320 -bit

8800 GTS 512 - $185.00 before rebate
Stream Processors 128
Core Clock (MHz) 600 MHz
Shader Clock (MHz) 1625 MHz
Memory Clock (MHz) 900 MHz
Memory Amount 512MB
Memory Interface 256-bit

8800 GTX - good luck finding one
Stream Processors 128
Core Clock (MHz) 575 MHz
Shader Clock (MHz) 1350 MHz
Memory Clock (MHz) 900 MHz
Memory Amount 768MB
Memory Interface 384-bit

9800 GTX - $200
Cores 128
Core Clock (MHz) 675 MHz
Shader Clock (MHz) 1688 MHz
Memory Clock (MHz) 1100 MHz
Memory Amount 512MB GDDR3
Memory Interface 256-bit

I wont even bother with the 200 series chips, youll never see one in a laptop, unless its been shrunk to 55nm process and chopped down a bit.

Case and point here, the desktop 4870 is faster than every single one of these listed video cards. The only thing in the above list that will beat a 4870 is to SLI two of these, and then it doesnt win by much if at all. If ATI can make a mobile graphics card, based on the 4870, get Xfire working right, they will simply crush everything Nvidia has at this time. Nvidia isnt innovating anything and hasnt really done any innovations since the 8800 GTX was released almost 2 years ago. They just keep making small changes and rebadging old products so it looks like they are doing something when in reality they are just ripping people off.

This is why I havent bothered buying a laptop yet.

 

[Maziar]

anandtech know more than all of us:
http/www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=3242&p=15

Now, let's take a step back and actually consider what you're buying with the M1730. The 8800M GTX offers similar performance to the desktop 8800 GT 512MB. It has slightly slower clock speeds on the core and slower memory, but it still delivers good performance - great performance in a notebook. The X9000 is also very fast for a mobile CPU, clocked at 2.8GHz. That puts it roughly on par with the E6750, once we take into account the slower bus and memory speeds of notebooks. If you purchase the M1730 as tested, then you get roughly the equivalent of a desktop system with an E6750 and 8800 GT SLI

Also dont be sure about ATI cards,because we dont know how they will perform.

Also i dont care about its new or not, 2x8800MGTX can run everything maxed out (including crysis @ 1920x1200 with 0xAA) and all of these are packed in a 17" laptop.
You cant compare desktop tech and notebook tech, desktop tech changes alot more faster than notebook tech.

 

[cjl]

The 8800MGTX isnt even as fast as a desktop 8800 GT, or a 8800 GTS 512, and wont touch a true 8800 GTX. Its about the same as the dog slow in comparison 8800 GTS 640, which is approaching old age. Specs below. The 9800MGTX is probably about on par with the 8800 GT. Nvidia is selling 2 year old tech, for about $500 a pop. Thats because they have the only decent solution out there at this time.

8800M GTX - about $500
Stream Processors - 96
Core Clock (MHz) - 500
Shader Clock (MHz) - 1250
Memory Clock (MHz) - 800
Maximum Memory - 512MB
Memory Interface - 256-bit
Power consumption: <50W

There, fixed for you.

That's why it's relatively expensive and stuff isn't as fast as the desktop parts right now. As I said before, think of it as an 8800GT with some of the SP's disabled, as that's much closer to its true architecture than the 8800 GTS G80. As for 2 year old tech? The 8800GT came out under a year ago, and this is an improvement over the 8800 GT as far as technology is concerned. It uses far less power to achieve only slightly less performance.

Currently, 7200RPM 320GB notebook drives go for $190. This doesn't mean that they're selling "4 year old tech" just because the desktop 320's were available back then. It just means that it's harder to get the same capabilities crammed into the low power, small size notebook environment.

Because of these limitations, desktops will always be faster for the same amount of money. However, that doesn't mean that there aren't good reasons to get a gaming laptop. A gaming laptop is wonderful if you move around a lot, as all you need is the laptop, the power adapter, and a mouse, and you have a good gaming platform on the go. Depending on your situation, that may or may not be worth the extra money, but it certainly isn't something that's caused by nvidia dragging their heels. The G80 was never made mobile because of the massive power requirements, I'd bet similarly for the GT200. The G92 was the first high performance DX10 card they made that had little enough power draw to make a viable mobile.

As for ATI, I look forward to the mobility HD3870. As for mobility 4 series? I have some doubts about how quickly they'll be able to get those available. The current power draw and heat levels are too high to stick in a notebook without significant modification. They'll do it eventually, but they won't come out soon. Notebook GPU's aren't limited due to artificial holds right now though, they are limited because of the much lower power and heat levels that they must conform to in a notebook in order to work at all. An average gaming notebook has 130W or so for the entire system - a monster notebook has 240 or so. This includes the monitor. That is the biggest reason why the notebook graphics and CPU markets lag behind the desktop in performance.

 

[Kaldor]

My point here is the longer the tech has been around the cheaper it becomes. Desktop or Laptop. The price to make a 8800MGTX isnt what it was a year ago.

The laptop ATI cards may not end up being quite what they are on the desktop. However, ATI needs to get a decent mobile part out so that Nvidia isnt controlling the market, and just setting the price where ever they like.

 

[cjl]

I'll agree with you there - more competition is never a bad thing.

 

[2Hytec]

The OCZ 17" laptop is now available @ cyberpowerpc.com. It is the Gamer Xtreme M1, coming with only the "Dual ATI Mobile (M88XT) MXM Graphics HD 3870 512MB Video" (no option for the nVIDIA 8800M GTX). Wonder what the barebones price would've been.

Pricewise, besides warranty & the 3870, it appears it would offer similar specs to the Clevo m570TU @ maybe a lower price for the rest of hardware though I could be wrong; nice spec alternative to the clevo however I hope it gets the Mobility Radeon HD 4870/50 (which may be superior to the 9800M GTX) in the future with this gamer notebook.

N e ideas/updates as to when we may see the/a Mobility Radeon HD 4850/70 (may need a MB change due to the current 3870 being MXM 2.0 while the pics of the 4850/70 show it being most likely MXM 3.0); the Clevo might be an easier swap being MXM 3.0 Already.