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There really isn't a funny aspect to this. A family died and that should not have happened. The sad part was that particular vehicle was brought to the dealer 3 days prior to the fatal accident and the prior loaner"Driver" advise the dealership that the engine ran away on him. His comments obviously weren't considered as worthy and the rest is history. Imagine this: The driver was a California Highway Officer who's main job responsiblity was to investigate/train on vehicle safety operations. He KNEW how to operate vehicles in an emergency and still missed the obvious.
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This also happened to me once while i was on the left lane of a highway. Switched to neutral, turned off the engine, switched emergency lights on, and steered slowly to the right to park. Problem was that the car accelerated to 80 miles an hour and once switched to neutral, engine screamed. It's quite scary hearing an engine on neutral.
For those who are pointing out how easy it is to switch to neutral, bare in mind that there are elderly people and in some cases women (not trying to be sexist), who do not have a quick response in such a situation. The car can accelerate easily to full speed which can cause fatality in so many ways, or even cause the inability to stop exactly on a red light. Many scenarios can occur and the only people to blame are the manufacturers.
For those who are pointing out how easy it is to switch to neutral, bare in mind that there are elderly people and in some cases women (not trying to be sexist), who do not have a quick response in such a situation. The car can accelerate easily to full speed which can cause fatality in so many ways, or even cause the inability to stop exactly on a red light. Many scenarios can occur and the only people to blame are the manufacturers.
[citation][nom]matt87_50[/nom]"2009-2010 RAV4, 2009-2010 Corolla, 2009-2010 Matrix, 2005-2010 Avalon, Certain 2007-2010 Camry 2010 Highlander except hybrid models, 2007-2010 Tundra, 2008-2010 Sequoia"so all of them then...[/citation]
Actually the Aurion, Hilux, Yaris, Prado and Lancruiser aren't on that list.
[citation][nom]extremepcs[/nom]Yes, that's what you want to do... throw it in neutral and let the engine hit 8k RPM and throw the rods through the oil pan. Good plan. Hope they have rev limiters![/citation]
A new engine is much cheaper than a hospital and damage bill...
Actually the Aurion, Hilux, Yaris, Prado and Lancruiser aren't on that list.
[citation][nom]extremepcs[/nom]Yes, that's what you want to do... throw it in neutral and let the engine hit 8k RPM and throw the rods through the oil pan. Good plan. Hope they have rev limiters![/citation]
A new engine is much cheaper than a hospital and damage bill...
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if toyota would just release the technical and specific issues then I could rest. I just can't believe that a floor mat can press the accelerator pedal or damage it. I think this has something to do with electronic pedal itself which could be faulty.
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They attacked the blockade you idiot, it was called the US. Look up your damn history. US was the only thing fearing Japanese rise as a major power. They also single handedly caused the Pacific War, because guess what, US has to be a world police and demand Japan get out of China even back then.
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SO.YOU.ATTACK.THE.BLOCKADE. You know, the ships actually blocking transport and freightships from entering the country. The Japanese must have been a pretty pathetic milatary machine that they could be blockaded by a fleet 2000 miles from their home.
Do you honestly want anyone here who is not a conspiracy nut to believe that the US wanted the Japanese to attack? Like we wouldn't have followed a FDR led military into war anyways?
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SO.YOU.ATTACK.THE.BLOCKADE. You know, the ships actually blocking transport and freightships from entering the country. The Japanese must have been a pretty pathetic milatary machine that they could be blockaded by a fleet 2000 miles from their home.
Do you honestly want anyone here who is not a conspiracy nut to believe that the US wanted the Japanese to attack? Like we wouldn't have followed a FDR led military into war anyways?
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[citation][nom]omnimodis78[/nom]And don't forget that Japan's attack on the US wasn't as much of a "surprise" as most are lead to believe. I am not beating the conspiracy drum here, but dropping the atomic bomb(s) on Europe was out of the question, so who else could be targeted...and how to get them hated enough so that nobody would feel bad? Hmmm...Japan fell into a fatal trap and for that they were treated to two atomic bombs even though they lost the war and were prepared to surrender but were practically not allowed so that the mission would be completed, and the World would be introduced to the sight of mushroom clouds.[/citation]
You may not want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but you sound like a conspiracy theorist. Where's your evidence that we knew any of this. Where's your evidence that "we didn't want to drop an H-Bomb on Europe?"
Maybe we didn't drop the bomb on Europe because we were already kicking ass there? Maybe it was because making landfall and establishing a beachhead was much easier when trying to do it on an entire continent vs. an island the size of the UK.
You may not want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but you sound like a conspiracy theorist. Where's your evidence that we knew any of this. Where's your evidence that "we didn't want to drop an H-Bomb on Europe?"
Maybe we didn't drop the bomb on Europe because we were already kicking ass there? Maybe it was because making landfall and establishing a beachhead was much easier when trying to do it on an entire continent vs. an island the size of the UK.
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[citation][nom]MrHorspwer[/nom]As a note, neither the Kia Forte or Sorento use a key or mechanical lock to open the truck. They are all electric, just like the Focus.[/citation]
Ah, but at least the Forte has a convenient lever by the driver's seat to open the trunk, and it still works when the battery's dead. As the local Ford dealer here in Rapid City found out first hand, battery dies in the Focus, that trunk ain't opening.
Ah, but at least the Forte has a convenient lever by the driver's seat to open the trunk, and it still works when the battery's dead. As the local Ford dealer here in Rapid City found out first hand, battery dies in the Focus, that trunk ain't opening.
Here is your answer:
"Ford announced that it would stop production of a commercial van in China that, like the affected Toyotas, uses a CTS Corp. accelerator pedal assembly. Automakers, many of whom use Indiana-based CTS as a supplier, are issuing statements to claim that their assemblies are built with different designs and manufacturing processes."
"Ford announced that it would stop production of a commercial van in China that, like the affected Toyotas, uses a CTS Corp. accelerator pedal assembly. Automakers, many of whom use Indiana-based CTS as a supplier, are issuing statements to claim that their assemblies are built with different designs and manufacturing processes."
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U. S. Department of Transportation Deserves Credit for Detection.
Stuck accelerators were investigated on Toyota Camrys in 2006.
An investigator flew to Arizona when a 70 year old lawyer complained about his car, saying
"I put my foot on the brake and the harder I pushed, the faster the car went".
After that, he wouldn't drive his Toyota.
The investigator performed numerous tests,
revealing no problem, and most people attributed the incident to senility
-- yea, he must have put his foot on the accelerator not the brake,
then pressed harder and harder.
These problems are difficult for government investigators to resolve,
because the incidents occur infrequently amongst all cars,
and the problems seem to come-and-go on the cars with problems.
To finally decide a car model has a problem requires several incidents and a couple years.
Then the automobile manufacturer is coerced into a voluntary recall.
DOT has numerous sources of information -- consumers online complaints to them,
internal automobile manufacturers incidents, local law enforcement reports of accidents, ...
Since the electronic accelerator problems were appearing in 2006,
one wonders why DOT took until the first year of the Obama administration to finally force a recall.
While industries often try limiting government consumer protections;
when deaths pile up as with the Toyota and with mad cow disease,
then industry themselves wish government had detected these problems earlier.
Such detection is a great service by DOT,
evidently unlike prescribed government meddling by OSHA.
Early detection prevents a bad reputation and saves hundreds of millions of dollars in a later recall.
Stuck accelerators were investigated on Toyota Camrys in 2006.
An investigator flew to Arizona when a 70 year old lawyer complained about his car, saying
"I put my foot on the brake and the harder I pushed, the faster the car went".
After that, he wouldn't drive his Toyota.
The investigator performed numerous tests,
revealing no problem, and most people attributed the incident to senility
-- yea, he must have put his foot on the accelerator not the brake,
then pressed harder and harder.
These problems are difficult for government investigators to resolve,
because the incidents occur infrequently amongst all cars,
and the problems seem to come-and-go on the cars with problems.
To finally decide a car model has a problem requires several incidents and a couple years.
Then the automobile manufacturer is coerced into a voluntary recall.
DOT has numerous sources of information -- consumers online complaints to them,
internal automobile manufacturers incidents, local law enforcement reports of accidents, ...
Since the electronic accelerator problems were appearing in 2006,
one wonders why DOT took until the first year of the Obama administration to finally force a recall.
While industries often try limiting government consumer protections;
when deaths pile up as with the Toyota and with mad cow disease,
then industry themselves wish government had detected these problems earlier.
Such detection is a great service by DOT,
evidently unlike prescribed government meddling by OSHA.
Early detection prevents a bad reputation and saves hundreds of millions of dollars in a later recall.
Has anyone ever seen that little N that they skip over between reverse and drive? That actually disengages the engine from the drive train.
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"Hold down the Engine Start/Stop button for 3 sec to shut off"???
That's how I shut down my Dell. Maybe Toyota runs on Windows.
That's how I shut down my Dell. Maybe Toyota runs on Windows.
I notice the Prius is missing from this list, but I've seen it on the recall list in the newspapers. The Pontiac Vibe(as its a rebadged Matrix, is also involved. Also the recall is for 5.35 million as of yesterday.
I've read several accounts where brakes don't respond(other than making the ABS failure light blink), tranny doesn't let go when shifting to N(this may have to do with the rev limiter somehow protecting the engine), and didn't want to shut down the motor b/c of the loss of power steering. Its not so much "keep driving" as much as "drive or risk injury/death".
As far as the issue with WWII, Japan's attack, etc. I think the blockade was in effect b/c they were invading China, who were friends at the time. It had nothing to do with us picking on them, they picked on China first, even if we weren't rationing for the European theater. The bombs were dropped on Japan as it would be the only way to stop the war w/o costing the US over a million lives. They also only ruined two cities, compared to the dozens that would have been decimated during the course of the invasion. They would have fought down to the last man, woman, and child. Even after we dropped them, a Major was plotting to overthrow the Emperor to continue the war even after we dropped them. Despite being an awful option, it was the only option the allies had at the time to save Japan.
Also, we never had a chance to use the atomic bomb in Europe b/c by the time we tested the first one, Germany already surrendered.
I've read several accounts where brakes don't respond(other than making the ABS failure light blink), tranny doesn't let go when shifting to N(this may have to do with the rev limiter somehow protecting the engine), and didn't want to shut down the motor b/c of the loss of power steering. Its not so much "keep driving" as much as "drive or risk injury/death".
As far as the issue with WWII, Japan's attack, etc. I think the blockade was in effect b/c they were invading China, who were friends at the time. It had nothing to do with us picking on them, they picked on China first, even if we weren't rationing for the European theater. The bombs were dropped on Japan as it would be the only way to stop the war w/o costing the US over a million lives. They also only ruined two cities, compared to the dozens that would have been decimated during the course of the invasion. They would have fought down to the last man, woman, and child. Even after we dropped them, a Major was plotting to overthrow the Emperor to continue the war even after we dropped them. Despite being an awful option, it was the only option the allies had at the time to save Japan.
Also, we never had a chance to use the atomic bomb in Europe b/c by the time we tested the first one, Germany already surrendered.
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Some people are saying that Japan gave fair warning to the US before attacking Pearl Harbor. Someone said that they didn't because the US had yet to crack the latest code. If this were in code, Japan wouldn't have expected it to have reached the US government anyway, so it should be said that this would not be fair warning.
But no. The "fair warning" was for the Japanese diplomats in the US to await a heavily encoded transmission that would relay Japan's intent to attack the U.S. It was intended for the diplomats to deliver this news to the government roughly 15 minutes before the attack was to have happened.
The diplomats were having trouble decoding and translating the message into English. They delivered the message a half hour after the strike on Pearl Harbor had already happened.
Fair warning? Not even if the message were on time.
America didn't fear Japanese dominance. America wasn't even a world superpower until the war had already left the rest of the world in shambles, and American resources and manufacturing capacity enabled a huge consumer-driven economic boon. As for playing police officer, the U.S. was friendly with China and since Japan was attacking China, the U.S. halted all trade to Japan and froze Japanese assets. They did not "blockade" Japanese ports.
Also, if anyone thinks it was FDR who dropped the bomb, consider the fact that he had already died and Truman was in office. FDR wasn't even actually aware that such a weapon was in development. FDR wouldn't have dropped it. Japan was already getting tired as resources had waned, and was considering conditional surrender, unbeknownst to the US. Truman was advised by zealous war advisers not to accept anything less than unconditional surrender. Truman was a sucker for peer pressure.
That said, the atom bomb was used to cut American losses when invading mainland Japan because they had already suffered severe kill/casualty ratios when fighting on Japanese held Pacific islands.
And it wasn't an H-bomb, which harnesses the power of atomic fusion; that had not yet been designed. The atomic bombs that were dropped on Japan were based one on Uranium and one on Plutonium, both using atomic fission. They were both relatively weak in comparison to the H-bomb.
I hope that this can end all this discussion on WWII once and for all, but since this is the Interweb, I doubt that it will.
But no. The "fair warning" was for the Japanese diplomats in the US to await a heavily encoded transmission that would relay Japan's intent to attack the U.S. It was intended for the diplomats to deliver this news to the government roughly 15 minutes before the attack was to have happened.
The diplomats were having trouble decoding and translating the message into English. They delivered the message a half hour after the strike on Pearl Harbor had already happened.
Fair warning? Not even if the message were on time.
America didn't fear Japanese dominance. America wasn't even a world superpower until the war had already left the rest of the world in shambles, and American resources and manufacturing capacity enabled a huge consumer-driven economic boon. As for playing police officer, the U.S. was friendly with China and since Japan was attacking China, the U.S. halted all trade to Japan and froze Japanese assets. They did not "blockade" Japanese ports.
Also, if anyone thinks it was FDR who dropped the bomb, consider the fact that he had already died and Truman was in office. FDR wasn't even actually aware that such a weapon was in development. FDR wouldn't have dropped it. Japan was already getting tired as resources had waned, and was considering conditional surrender, unbeknownst to the US. Truman was advised by zealous war advisers not to accept anything less than unconditional surrender. Truman was a sucker for peer pressure.
That said, the atom bomb was used to cut American losses when invading mainland Japan because they had already suffered severe kill/casualty ratios when fighting on Japanese held Pacific islands.
And it wasn't an H-bomb, which harnesses the power of atomic fusion; that had not yet been designed. The atomic bombs that were dropped on Japan were based one on Uranium and one on Plutonium, both using atomic fission. They were both relatively weak in comparison to the H-bomb.
I hope that this can end all this discussion on WWII once and for all, but since this is the Interweb, I doubt that it will.
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