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Instead of using a USB wireless adapter (for TiVo ToGo), I've read where you
can used a wired adapter and a "bridge." Can a wireless access point serve
as a bridge? All of the wireless bridges I've found are kind of expensive,
and I see that CompUSA has a Motorola WAP for a good price this week. Will
this work?
 
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On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 00:24:26 +0000, Mark Rathgeber wrote:

> Instead of using a USB wireless adapter (for TiVo ToGo), I've read where you
> can used a wired adapter and a "bridge." Can a wireless access point serve
> as a bridge? All of the wireless bridges I've found are kind of expensive,
> and I see that CompUSA has a Motorola WAP for a good price this week. Will
> this work?

If the WAP has wired ports too (not just a single port for a modem), then
yes that would work. Otherwise, no.

Note that it may or may not work with _another_ router (in addition to the
new WAP), but that would be a subnet/forwarding issue, not strictly
related to getting the TiVo networked.

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On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 00:24:26 +0000, Mark Rathgeber wrote:

> Instead of using a USB wireless adapter (for TiVo ToGo), I've read where you
> can used a wired adapter and a "bridge." Can a wireless access point serve
> as a bridge? All of the wireless bridges I've found are kind of expensive,
> and I see that CompUSA has a Motorola WAP for a good price this week. Will
> this work?

Here's another take on the topic:

If you're willing to buy a Motorola WAP, why not just pick up a wireless
adapter instead?

I saw the same ad about the Motorola WAP... if you're talking about the
after-rebate price, it may be hard to find a Wireless Adapter for that
price. But if you are going by the pre-rebate price (like you should be,
treating the rebates as frosting on the cake...), it's a lot easier.

Just check the list of supported adapters at
http://customersupport.tivo.com/knowbase/root/public/tv2184.htm?

Then go shopping on newegg.com, outpost.com, etc.

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On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 00:24:26 +0000, Mark Rathgeber wrote:

> Can a wireless access point serve as a bridge?

Sorry for responding another time to the same thread. My head isn't
working right tonight...

The answer is a definitive "no". A "Wireless Access Point" cannot act as a
bridge, because a "Wireless Access Point" does not accept wired clients.

For some reason I got my terminology mixed up, and thought a WAP was a
Wireless Router....

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On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 17:26:26 -0700, Lenroc wrote:

> On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 00:24:26 +0000, Mark Rathgeber wrote:
>
>> Instead of using a USB wireless adapter (for TiVo ToGo), I've read where you
>> can used a wired adapter and a "bridge." Can a wireless access point serve
>> as a bridge?
>
> If the WAP has wired ports too (not just a single port for a modem), then
> yes that would work. Otherwise, no.

For the record, I should point out that in retrospect, I'm not 100% sure
it would work, even if it had wired ports.

It might work, but it may not be possible to make one wireless router act
as a downstream hub for another wireless router, as I originally (and
possibly incorrectly) assumed.

Sorry.

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Okay, another question: I have a Netgear router that I have been trying to
configure for this purpose, and haven't been able to get it to work. Tell
me what I need to look for or consider regarding "subnet/forwarding."

My home network is simple: Two desktops, connected (wired) through a US
Robotics 8054 wireless router. The wireless is necessary for a roaming
laptop. I have tried to connect my TiVo, via WiFi, but all of the USB
adapters quit after about 20 minutes or so. Now, I have a wired adapter
connected to a network cable that I string from the living room, where the
TiVo is, to the computer room, but this can't be a permanent solution,
'cause it's really ugly, and dear wife doesn't like it (neither do I). So,
if there's a way to configure the Netgear, I would like to try, but I
haven't had any luck so far. If I don't get it working within few days,
it's going back to Best Buy. The Netgear is a WGR614v5.

Thanks in advance.

Mark

"Lenroc" <lenroc@NOSPAMFORYOU.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 00:24:26 +0000, Mark Rathgeber wrote:
|
| > Instead of using a USB wireless adapter (for TiVo ToGo), I've read where
you
| > can used a wired adapter and a "bridge." Can a wireless access point
serve
| > as a bridge? All of the wireless bridges I've found are kind of
expensive,
| > and I see that CompUSA has a Motorola WAP for a good price this week.
Will
| > this work?
|
| If the WAP has wired ports too (not just a single port for a modem), then
| yes that would work. Otherwise, no.
|
| Note that it may or may not work with _another_ router (in addition to the
| new WAP), but that would be a subnet/forwarding issue, not strictly
| related to getting the TiVo networked.
|
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On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 03:36:22 +0000, Mark Rathgeber wrote:

> Okay, another question: I have a Netgear router that I have been trying to
> configure for this purpose, and haven't been able to get it to work. Tell
> me what I need to look for or consider regarding "subnet/forwarding."
>
> My home network is simple: Two desktops, connected (wired) through a US
> Robotics 8054 wireless router.

First step is to get the TiVo playing nicely with just the Netgear router.
(I assume it has multiple wired ports.)

Try plugging the TiVo into one of the wired ports, and either have your
laptop connect wirelessly to the Netgear router, or plug in either the
laptop or a desktop to the Netgear router temporarily.

Ensure that the TiVo can connect to the PC, and/or vice versa, in this
configuration.

If this works, then it's a non-trivial leap to get the TiVo (connected to
the Netgear) on your larger network. What you need to do is make the
Netgear router a client on the USR router. To do this, you may need to
make the Netgear router stop being a router (turn of DHCP, etc.). This may
be possible, or it may not be. I may have been wrong in my original
followup. I've never actually tried to make a _wireless_ router act as a
hub, but I know it's possible to make a wired router into one.

I may have lead you astray with my original post, and if so I'm sorry.

Maybe you could run a wire from one router to another, through some walls,
perhaps? :p

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"Mark Rathgeber" <alvamark@swbell.net> wrote in message
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> Okay, another question: I have a Netgear router that I have been trying
> to
> configure for this purpose, and haven't been able to get it to work. Tell
> me what I need to look for or consider regarding "subnet/forwarding."
>
> My home network is simple: Two desktops, connected (wired) through a US
> Robotics 8054 wireless router. The wireless is necessary for a roaming
> laptop. I have tried to connect my TiVo, via WiFi, but all of the USB
> adapters quit after about 20 minutes or so. Now, I have a wired adapter
> connected to a network cable that I string from the living room, where the
> TiVo is, to the computer room, but this can't be a permanent solution,
> 'cause it's really ugly, and dear wife doesn't like it (neither do I).
> So,
> if there's a way to configure the Netgear, I would like to try, but I
> haven't had any luck so far. If I don't get it working within few days,
> it's going back to Best Buy. The Netgear is a WGR614v5.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Mark

Mark,

Generally wireless interfaces support about 255 connections,
so you should have plenty of capability with your Robotics.

I have a Linksys cable modem and a Linksys BEFW11S4
Wireless B Broadband Router. I've got it set up to act
as a DHCP serving IP addresses in the 192.168.2.x
range (x=2 to 10 or so). Each TIVO has a Linksys
WUSB11 something. The print is too small to make out.

Anyway, I set up WEP encryption on both ends using
the same keys and my setup works like a champ.

It's slow, but solid and dependable. It only fails after
the maid has been here and 'cleaned' up around the
WUSB11's. But, I simply unplug them and plug them
back in and they start working again.

What type of adapters were you using that failed
after 20 minutes? You probably mentioned it
in a previous post, but I missed it.

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Right now, I have a Netgear MA111 which works fine for the TiVo updates.
But, it won't transfer to the PC. It will start, but then it's like the
adapter locks up after about 20 minutes or so. I've also tried this with a
Linksys 802.11b adapter, which TiVo "certified."

So, I read on the TiVo Community Forum that a wired adapter connected to a
wireless bridge would work, and that many routers can be configure to act as
a bridge. But, so far I can't get the Netgear router to work quite right.
I still want to fiddle with it some more before I return it, however.

I have turned off the DHCP, tried to set a separate IP for the Netgear, but
so far no luck. Next, I may try to set the Netgear up with the laptop, like
the above post suggests (hadn't tried that, yet), just to see if it can
communicate. Eventually, if I don't hit on the right combination of
settings, I'm gonna get tired of screwing around with all of this stuff and
run a cable, but that involves moving a big entertainment center to get to
the wall, and that's really low on my list of desireable activities!

I like what TiVo does, but their OS updates don't seem very "up to date."

Mark

"Homer L. Hazel" <hNoOmerlhANTI@SPAMcox.net> wrote in message
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| "Mark Rathgeber" <alvamark@swbell.net> wrote in message
| news:WauXd.1726$yp.108@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...
| > Okay, another question: I have a Netgear router that I have been trying
| > to
| > configure for this purpose, and haven't been able to get it to work.
Tell
| > me what I need to look for or consider regarding "subnet/forwarding."
| >
| > My home network is simple: Two desktops, connected (wired) through a US
| > Robotics 8054 wireless router. The wireless is necessary for a roaming
| > laptop. I have tried to connect my TiVo, via WiFi, but all of the USB
| > adapters quit after about 20 minutes or so. Now, I have a wired adapter
| > connected to a network cable that I string from the living room, where
the
| > TiVo is, to the computer room, but this can't be a permanent solution,
| > 'cause it's really ugly, and dear wife doesn't like it (neither do I).
| > So,
| > if there's a way to configure the Netgear, I would like to try, but I
| > haven't had any luck so far. If I don't get it working within few days,
| > it's going back to Best Buy. The Netgear is a WGR614v5.
| >
| > Thanks in advance.
| >
| > Mark
|
| Mark,
|
| Generally wireless interfaces support about 255 connections,
| so you should have plenty of capability with your Robotics.
|
| I have a Linksys cable modem and a Linksys BEFW11S4
| Wireless B Broadband Router. I've got it set up to act
| as a DHCP serving IP addresses in the 192.168.2.x
| range (x=2 to 10 or so). Each TIVO has a Linksys
| WUSB11 something. The print is too small to make out.
|
| Anyway, I set up WEP encryption on both ends using
| the same keys and my setup works like a champ.
|
| It's slow, but solid and dependable. It only fails after
| the maid has been here and 'cleaned' up around the
| WUSB11's. But, I simply unplug them and plug them
| back in and they start working again.
|
| What type of adapters were you using that failed
| after 20 minutes? You probably mentioned it
| in a previous post, but I missed it.
|
| Larry Hazel
|
|
|
 
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Mark,

I think I agree with one of LENROC's suggestions that you try a different
wireless USB adapter for the TIVO. If you have the 7.x software, it will
support a couple of the wireless G adapters. I tend to like Linksys since
they always work for me. I've had too much NETGEAR equipment fail.

I think a Wireless G adapter that's compatible with TIVO might cost
less than the wireless Bridge.

Larry Hazel
 
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> Sorry for responding another time to the same thread. My head isn't
> working right tonight...
>
> The answer is a definitive "no". A "Wireless Access Point" cannot act as a
> bridge, because a "Wireless Access Point" does not accept wired clients.
>
> For some reason I got my terminology mixed up, and thought a WAP was a
> Wireless Router....
>

Well, a WAP can be integrated with a switch or hub, just as a wireless
router can be. It's true that you typically don't see it as often.

I think the problem you keep running into Lenroc, is that most (all?)
wireless routers dedicate a wired port as the sole WAN source. In the
configuration you are suggesting (WAN -- Wireless Router 1 -- Wireless
router 2 -- Tivo (using wired port)), the second wireless router would
have to use a *wireless* connection as the WAN port.

Technically, there's no reason this couldn't be done, aside from some
interesting setup configuration dealing with *which* wireless connection
is the WAN one. However most of the consumer hardware won't do that.
There are range extenders, some of which include a wireless port, that
will do that, but you usually have to match brands for them to work, and
for some reason they are often significantly more expensive than the
more typical router.

As I think has been mentioned here before, there are video game WAP's
designed for this type of need (intended for X-boxes and the like), but
they are not very cheap either. See
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2311,CONTENTID=9752

as an example. Note that it directly mentions use w/ DVR's.

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In article <80vXd.26053$Sn6.16087@lakeread03>,
lenroc@NOSPAMFORYOU.hotmail.com says...
> On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 00:24:26 +0000, Mark Rathgeber wrote:
>
> > Can a wireless access point serve as a bridge?
>
> Sorry for responding another time to the same thread. My head isn't
> working right tonight...
>
> The answer is a definitive "no". A "Wireless Access Point" cannot act as a
> bridge, because a "Wireless Access Point" does not accept wired clients.

Not necessarily true. Several access points (including linksys) allow
the WAP to be configured as a wireless AP client, and allow bridging a
wired segment that way. My complaint: none of them I've seen so far
support WPA in that mode :(
 
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> As I think has been mentioned here before, there are video game WAP's
> designed for this type of need (intended for X-boxes and the like), but
> they are not very cheap either. See
> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2311,CONTENTID=9752
>
> as an example. Note that it directly mentions use w/ DVR's.
>
> Randy S.

One further note, I just noticed that the example above uses some sort
of proprietary connection that runs only at 1.5 Mbps, so it's not
optimal for TTG purposes. There are others more suited however.

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> Not necessarily true. Several access points (including linksys) allow
> the WAP to be configured as a wireless AP client, and allow bridging a
> wired segment that way. My complaint: none of them I've seen so far
> support WPA in that mode :(
>

Not only that, they're almost always much more expensive then your
typical consumer oriented router, I don't know why. It's also *really*
hard to figure out which models have the capability before you buy it.

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Thanks to both of you guys for your comments, especially that it's hard to
know before you buy. I still stand by a comment I made in another post last
night: TiVo's updates aren't very "up to date." Why in the world would you
come up with an option (TiVo ToGo) with such inadequate 802.11g capability,
when the rest of the world is pretty much "g?" I also read in lots of
forums that using a wireless adapter is frequently impossible, at least for
transfers.

Mark

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| > Not necessarily true. Several access points (including linksys) allow
| > the WAP to be configured as a wireless AP client, and allow bridging a
| > wired segment that way. My complaint: none of them I've seen so far
| > support WPA in that mode :(
| >
|
| Not only that, they're almost always much more expensive then your
| typical consumer oriented router, I don't know why. It's also *really*
| hard to figure out which models have the capability before you buy it.
|
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In article <_mrXd.2217$WK2.1991@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mark Rathgeber" <alvamark@swbell.net> wrote:

> Instead of using a USB wireless adapter (for TiVo ToGo), I've read where you
> can used a wired adapter and a "bridge." Can a wireless access point serve
> as a bridge? All of the wireless bridges I've found are kind of expensive,
> and I see that CompUSA has a Motorola WAP for a good price this week. Will
> this work?

Only the VERY high end Access Points can act as a Bridge. If they don't
say they can, they can't, and even if they say they can, it may only be
with another Access Point from the same company. Certainly the low end
D-Link and Belkin ones can't. I tried, so I know. I bit the bullet and
got a WET54G Bridge from Linksys when BestBuy was closing them out in
November. Works wonderfully from 2 rooms away.
 
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In article <cuCXd.4124$WK2.712@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>,
"Mark Rathgeber" <alvamark@swbell.net> wrote:

> Thanks to both of you guys for your comments, especially that it's hard to
> know before you buy. I still stand by a comment I made in another post last
> night: TiVo's updates aren't very "up to date." Why in the world would you
> come up with an option (TiVo ToGo) with such inadequate 802.11g capability,
> when the rest of the world is pretty much "g?" I also read in lots of
> forums that using a wireless adapter is frequently impossible, at least for
> transfers.

Works fine for me with the Linksys WET54G Bridge. If one has an 802.11b
setup, and it downshifts speed to maintain a connection, transfer rates
can be abysmal.
 
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>>Thanks to both of you guys for your comments, especially that it's hard to
>>know before you buy. I still stand by a comment I made in another post last
>>night: TiVo's updates aren't very "up to date." Why in the world would you
>>come up with an option (TiVo ToGo) with such inadequate 802.11g capability,
>>when the rest of the world is pretty much "g?" I also read in lots of
>>forums that using a wireless adapter is frequently impossible, at least for
>>transfers.
>
>
> Works fine for me with the Linksys WET54G Bridge. If one has an 802.11b
> setup, and it downshifts speed to maintain a connection, transfer rates
> can be abysmal.

Using an 802.11g router in normal or "compatibility" mode to accomodate
..b devices can slow down throughput marginally as compared to
"native-only" or ".g only" modes. However, it's *not* going to slow
them down to "absymal". 802.11g does have slightly better range due to
better error correction (it uses an orthogonal signaling scheme) than
..b, and that may increase connectivity at a given point significantly.
The new MIMO (multiiple input/multiple output) routers improve on this
idea even more (these are pre-release 802.11n routers).

But given good connectivity, the major limiter in TTG transfers is the
Tivo, probably due to DRM issues.

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In article <L_uXd.26052$Sn6.18463@lakeread03>,
Lenroc <lenroc@NOSPAMFORYOU.hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 00:24:26 +0000, Mark Rathgeber wrote:
>
> > Instead of using a USB wireless adapter (for TiVo ToGo), I've read where
> > you
> > can used a wired adapter and a "bridge." Can a wireless access point serve
> > as a bridge? All of the wireless bridges I've found are kind of expensive,
> > and I see that CompUSA has a Motorola WAP for a good price this week. Will
> > this work?
>
> Here's another take on the topic:
>
> If you're willing to buy a Motorola WAP, why not just pick up a wireless
> adapter instead?
>
> I saw the same ad about the Motorola WAP... if you're talking about the
> after-rebate price, it may be hard to find a Wireless Adapter for that
> price. But if you are going by the pre-rebate price (like you should be,
> treating the rebates as frosting on the cake...), it's a lot easier.
>
> Just check the list of supported adapters at
> http://customersupport.tivo.com/knowbase/root/public/tv2184.htm?
>
> Then go shopping on newegg.com, outpost.com, etc.

I wouldnt recommend NewEgg to my worst enemy. They have a 15% restocking
fee, so if you get DOA stuff, or if what you buy doesnt work for your
setup, you're out shipping charges both ways and 15%.

Also don't expect to get any CompUSA rebates, they have a poor record
for fulfillment. If its the manufacturers rebate maybe you stand in
better stead. I have eventually seen rebates from D-Link and Belkin.
 
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> I wouldnt recommend NewEgg to my worst enemy. They have a 15% restocking
> fee, so if you get DOA stuff, or if what you buy doesnt work for your
> setup, you're out shipping charges both ways and 15%.
>
> Also don't expect to get any CompUSA rebates, they have a poor record
> for fulfillment. If its the manufacturers rebate maybe you stand in
> better stead. I have eventually seen rebates from D-Link and Belkin.

I couldn't disagree more strongly with you about newegg. I've bought
from them for years and have *never* had a problem. Anything DOA is
*immediately* replaced w/ no restocking fee. I can't say for sure right
now, but I think they pay for return shipping in that case as well.
Plus shipping from them is *incredibly* fast, I've received stuff in
under 2 days at times.

Just look at the customer testimonials at their site, I've never seen a
more loyal customer base. Just be prepared to know your stuff, they
don't provide recommendations. I tend to thoroughly investigate what I
want at manufacturer's sites prior to buying.

Randy S.
 
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