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Jeff Rife wrote:
> Bob Miller (robmx@earthlink.net) wrote in alt.video.digital-tv:
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>>Jeff Rife wrote:
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>>>Bob Miller (robmx@earthlink.net) wrote in alt.video.digital-tv:
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>>>>>STB's should be $50.
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>>>>Exactly!! SD STB's should be $50 today and HD STB's should be $75 today.
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>>>You mean like in Australia, right. Oh, no, STBs are US$500 there.
No, as I said the lowest priced HD receiver in OZ is $301. But that is
not true since with a Google I find that the TEAC DVB800 is now being
sold for AU $350 or US$277.
http
/www.playnow.com.au/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=print_topic;f=1;t=004081
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>>DTV STB's are as low as $77 in OZ and $35 in the UK.
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> There are no HD STBs in the UK at all, and none Australia for less than US$500.
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> Also, post a link for a SD STB in the UK that sells for £24 (which is US$35 at current exchange rates).
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>>>Or maybe the UK. No, there's no HD there.
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>>Satellite HD there with two more offerings on the way. Lots of talk of terrestrial HD in the UK now.
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> Post a link for a US$75 HD STB that works in the UK.
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>>>How about those US$75 HD STBs in Berlin? Nope, no HD there either.
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>>Satellite HD in Germany with terrestrial HD and MPEG-4 coming to France.
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> Post a link for a US$75 HD STB that works in Berlin.
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>>>Or maybe Japan? Nope, standalone HD STBs are close to US$500 there, too.
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>>Doesn't seem to be much of a market for STB's in Japan, everyone seems to be buying integrated sets.
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> ...because that's all that is currently available. What about legacy displays? US$500+ for COFDM HDTV STBs for those displays.
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>> They do suggest that the DTV receivers being added to cell phones will only raise the price of the phone by $45.
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> There are no DTV receivers being added to cell phones in Japan. There are *analog* TV receivers being added to cell phones in Japan.
No, wrong again they are adding DTV receivers to cell phones in Japan.
Terrestrial COFDM ISDB-T, Satellite DTV receivers for cell phones and
DAB Eureka 147 terrestrial also (COFDM also). Most countries including
the US will be awash in DTV cell phones in a few years.
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> But, these aren't HD, anyway, so who cares if they only cost US$45.
HD is just a resolution why would you need such a resolution on a cell
phone? In fact HD does not make sense until you get to something over
42" IMO where a theater experience begins to take place.
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>>>How about Korea? From what I can tell, it looks like HD STBs can be had for about US$300. Still not US$75, but once again only ATSC is able to
>>>provide cheap HD STBs.
ATSC cannot even provide working STB's in a multipath environment. The
FCC specifically avoided setting any performance standards for ATSC
receivers since no manufacturer could meet the minimal standards they
could have set with a straight face. NO 8-VSB receiver sold to date
should ever have been on the market. The first 8-VSB that meets minimal
standards is the non existent 5th generation from LG.
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>>Well the much larger market of Korea matches the market in OZ at around $300.
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> More of Bob's strange math. The cheapest HD STBs in Australia are US$500, but that's "around US$300". I guess those US$77 STBs in Australia really
> cost US$125...that's "around US$77".
No again, the Legend LSD2 SD-STB sells for AU$99 which is US$ 77. And
as we showed above you can find TEAC HD receivers in OZ for US$277.
http/www.legendmemory.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2270&topic=59
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>>COFDM receivers would cost less than $100 in the US today if COFDM had been allowed in 2000.
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> Whoopee, another wrong prediction from Bob. Still oh-for, I see. ATSC receivers *are* US$200 today, no prediction necessary. The best COFDM
> can do is US$500 for and HDTV receiver, even though the same number of COFDM HD receivers have been sold in Australia as ATSC HD receivers in
> the US, at least according to Bob's other posts. I wonder why they can't get the price down to US$200 there, even though they have the same
> quantity of scale.
Not the same "quantity of scale" whatever that means. A manufacturer of
STB's looking at OZ sees a potential market of 4 million, the same
manufacturer looking at the US sees a market of 109 million and with
COFDM another market of unknown quantity in the US.
The most telling reality in OZ is that this incredibly small market has
attracted so many manufacturers who have so many models of receivers and
who are so active in selling these receivers at retail with advertising
and salesperson training etc. NONE of which you see in the world's
largest and richest market the US when it comes to ATSC. No getting
around it ATSC is a complete flop. A disaster and no one should buy any
ATSC 8-VSB receiver before at least the LG 5th generation receiver is
offered.
In OZ because COFDM allows for the manufacture of SD receivers at a cost
savings over HD and since the public is offered a multicast of both HD
and SD the public has shown that they prefer SD which also has made the
market for HD even smaller. In the US 8-VSB only offers HD because there
is little savings in making an SD limited receiver.
Also the Hisence $200 receiver is now an "inventory item" which they
want to see depleted. I suspect that Hisense considers themselves burned
by this experience. They may not offer another such receiver once this
one is sold out. You may only see Hisense receivers in low cost
integrated HDTV sets in the future. Hisense had basically sold this
receiver to USDTV which was responsible for its marketing at WalMart.
Bob Miller
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