63% of Consolers Think Firmware Makes TVs 3D

[jerreece]

I think this fairly decent proof that "console gamers" in general are not a "pretty technically-inclined group". IF they were, they'd likely be playing games on a PC to begin with.

It takes no real understanding of electronics to play an XBOX 360 or Playstation 3. However, to install and configure the settings on a game on your PC (let alone build your own PC) does take a little know how.

 

[haxfar]

[citation][nom]alidan[/nom]here is a question that i have. and no im not the most knowledgeable guy when it comes to tv techa crt monitor is capable of 3d if it is 100hz or more. a lcd is capable at 120hz or more.now, a 3d ready lcd has a thing for the active shutter glasses built in, can any lcd tv or monitor display 3d with an active shutter dongle thing? like what nvidia vision thing does?also why are we forced to have 120hz? cant 60 hz to it too? sure it would be eye killers, but still it would give 60hz people a reason to go for the 120hz if they find out they enjoy 3d (before the pain sets in) now if im right, movies display film at 24 frames a second, that would60hz is 60fps, so devideing that up its 30fps per eye, which is higher than movie theater 3d.this all hinges on if im correct.[/citation]

The reason that 120MHz is min. is that when the screen shows a 3d image it is 2 pictures. That means the screen can show a single image at 120MHz or two images at 60MHz.

 

[Guest]

Most TV's claim they are 100/120/200/400 Hz, but their input only takes 50/60 Hz. TV's which take >100 Hz as input are sold as 3D TV's.

 

[guanyu210379]

Can I also update my Q6600 to i7 980 through firmware updates?
Hahahahahahaha....

 

[Shuge1]

Console Heads= EPIC lntelligence FAIL

 

[palladin9479]

Ok going to clear up some misinformation regarding how "3D" works. Technically any display is capable of outputting a "3D" capable signal, you just need to make sure the active glass's can sync to it. Since the screen must render one picture for each eye per frame you need twice the number of screen refresh's that you have frames. For 60 frames per second you need 120 refresh's per second or 120hz. If you wanted to do it with 30 frames per second you could just use any 60hz capable monitor or LCD, but good god you'd have one helluva head ache later on. The reason is that your eyeballs interpret light at approx 50~60 times per second. Any more then that and the picture seems fluid, and less and it starts to get shaky and grainy. Set your monitor / LCD to 56hz if you can and you'll notice the difference really quickly. A few years ago I used to do stereoscopic 3D with shutter glass's and a 17.5 inch NEC CRT running at 1024x767 @ 85 hz (42.5 per eye). It worked and 3D effect on Unreal Tournament was amazing, but I would get migraines after 45 min or so.

Another misunderstanding is in regards to 30 (29.9) FPS and 3D display. Things that report 30 FPS are actually doing 60 FPS but with blanking frames in between the actual frames. This was a common technique for displaying old video and its stuck every since then. Watching a "3D Video" at 24~29.9 FPS still requires the 120hz to prevent the headaches from happening. Attempting to watch a movie at 60hz stereo would give you a migraine fairly quickly.

The other technologies require special polarized screens where your displaying two images per frame simultaneously and require special polarized len's to separate the images out. Because your doing the stereo is parallel vs serial you don't need the 120hz but you do end up losing half the resolution of the system.

 

[bluekoala]

console owners, generally a pretty technically-inclined group,

Post 90's consoles are for non technically savvy people. Knowing where to plug RCA out to RCA in, Component or HDMI and putting optical media in does not qualify as technically savvy in my book.

 

[Montezuma]

I updated my television's firmware from(approximately) $2,300 USD to $5,999.99 USD(plus tax and girlfriend aggro). After getting things settled and all the equipment in place, I decided to sell it all on eBay and buy a 13 inch tube TV made in 1987.

 

[Guest]

Any modern TV can display 3D content. Get some cheap anaglyph glasses and there's a ton of software that modifies your movies to make them visible as "3D". If a TV's firmware is updated to do the same filtering that software on your pc can do, then you can watch 3D on your non-3D TV. This article is a big FAIL from THG, read some more before bashing.

 

[NuclearShadow]

I'm wondering if Jane was trying to make a joke with this

console owners, generally a pretty technically-inclined group

or if she was just playing nice like when a child comes up to you with a awful drawing that you can't make any sense of and when they tell you, naturally you compliment it.

But in all fairness I find that most PC gamers aren't too far ahead.
Sure those of us who tend to hang out @ Tom's and sites like it naturally have knowledge and interest but most PC gamers truly don't know much. Also building your own PC does not make you "technically-inclined" either its simple and easy and I have been doing such since childhood. If you cannot explain at the very least how the hardware works (Not what it is or a simple answer on what it does but HOW and WHY it works) then you really don't have any deep understanding.

 

[outlw6669]

In other news, 63% of console gamers have/will fail out of high school and become politicians.

 

[silverblue]

Sorry, but tarring all console gamers with the same brush is shortsighted in the extreme, not to mention overly defensive of your own choice.

Here's a couple of examples. One of my colleagues works in 2nd line support and is quite knowledgeable... and is getting a PS3 in the new few days. My friend's fiancé is an MCP, knows various development platforms inside out, built all his PCs (I think he has 6 or 7 at the moment, most of which are running 24/7), has little pet projects every time I visit... and when he gets time, he shares it between the PC, his PS3 and Wii (the latter two on HD projector, slight overkill for the Wii but still).

Judging console gamers because an apparent majority incorrectly believes something to be true is naive.

Let's quote the original article:

63 percent of console owners think that all they need is a firmware update to enable 3D in their homes, the research found. 83 percent of consumers think that all 3D requires glasses, despite increasing awareness of Nintendo's 3DS and the growth of similar glasses-free 3D tech.

Look at both statements inclusively. 83% of people believe you need glasses to experience 3D gaming, which is a little misguided and definitely in need of some education, however when 63% believed that firmware would enable 3D, it was the same set of people answering, therefore wouldn't it be more appropriate to believe that they were referring to enabling 3D on their console?

And as for PC gamers... a lot of enthusiasts may post here, but what about the mainstream gamers? Do they have a proper understanding of what is required to play a PC game and enjoy a smooth gaming experience? Do they know which settings to change if they need to compromise? Not everybody that owns a PC built it in the first place, and a good number of them are off playing Farmville anyway.

[citation][nom]guanyu210379[/nom]Can I also update my Q6600 to i7 980 through firmware updates?Hahahahahahaha....[/citation]

There's a new Pentium being touted that can be unlocked for a price. Whether that becomes widespread is up to Intel and its pricing policies. Your particular example is a little wide of the mark and a little confusing considering, by the general response on this thread, console gamers wouldn't even know what a Q6600 is.

 

[astidcrisse]

well... aside from the economics involved and patents, just saying out of the box...

wouldn't a measly 60hz tv be able to show 30hz/side with some kind of polarized glasses?

afterall, the tv does not "make" the 3D, the player/console sends the images interpreted by the tv...

Do remember, older voodoo cards came with shitty glasses as well that enabled 3d years ago on standard monitors so to me it looks more like a tech. milking and/or patent thing.

 

[killbits]

1500 people is a very low sample size. did all 1500 have consoles? or just out of the ones surveyed who happened to have a console, 63% are misinformed. in that case, the sample size is even smaller.

still sad that the number is that high even with such a small scope.

 

[Parsian]

lol that pretty much destroyed my null hypothesis: that consoles are different than Mac Users.

 

[guardianangel42]

Well, I don't know about firmware, but the 360 can play 3D, just not Sony's 3D. And I know my 1080p monitor is technically able to play 3D, even though it is 60hz.

Any screen with a high enough frame rate can do it, is just has to get relegated to the console to handle it all. So they are half right.

 

[guardianangel42]

[citation][nom]Parsian[/nom]lol that pretty much destroyed my null hypothesis: that consoles are different than Mac Users.[/citation]

Not really. Depending on the way the question was worded, console gamers may have been misdirected. It could be a case of people seeing firmware update and instead of attaching "TV" to the end they attach "PS3/360" Surveys are very rarely accurate.

 

[guardianangel42]

[citation][nom]Parsian[/nom]lol that pretty much destroyed my null hypothesis: that consoles are different than Mac Users.[/citation]

Also, $300 console /= $2,200 Mac book pro.

 

[Travis Beane]

Depends on the type of 3D (such as anaglyph).

 

[demonhorde665]

"While it sounds crazy that console owners, generally a pretty technically-inclined group, believe a firmware update would turn their television into a TV capable of displaying 3D content,"

Pure console gamers are hardly what i'd call tech savy

most true console gamers i know like to think they are tech savy doesn't mean it is true. hell i think i could be an astronaut , doesn't mean i'mabout to get a job with nasa any time soon.