Another "Day the Music Died"

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"We're in the business of trying to create a larger audience and have
more people join our station." said Sharon Percy Rockifeller,
president and CEO of WETA, the Washington DC area's only
non-commercial radio station that programs classicial music.

Beginning February 28, the fifteen hours of weekday classical music
programming will be dropped in favor of round-the-clock news,
analysis, and interview programs.

I thought that the purpose of public radio was to serve the needs and
tastes of those not offered by other radio stations. I guess not. It
appears it's to take in more money, just like commercial stations.

I'm not that rabid a fan of classical music, but I listened to WETA
during the day (and even made my donations), but I'll have to find
some other form of background entertainment (and someplace else to put
my support dollars). I'm turning to the Internet more and more for
stations that offer other than top-40 and talk. Good thing I finally
got a DSL connection here.

Anyone got suggestions for on-net alternate programming? I have
bookmarks for WWOZ, KBCS, and KEXP. WAMU's Bluegrass Country (round
the clock bluegrass) has their heart in the right place, but I find it
fatiguing to listen to for more than a couple of hours at a stretch.




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I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
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and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
 
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"Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
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> I'm not that rabid a fan of classical music, but I listened to WETA
> during the day (and even made my donations), but I'll have to find
> some other form of background entertainment (and someplace else to put
> my support dollars). I'm turning to the Internet more and more for
> stations that offer other than top-40 and talk. Good thing I finally
> got a DSL connection here.
>
> Anyone got suggestions for on-net alternate programming? I have
> bookmarks for WWOZ, KBCS, and KEXP. WAMU's Bluegrass Country (round
> the clock bluegrass) has their heart in the right place, but I find it
> fatiguing to listen to for more than a couple of hours at a stretch.

The station on which I do a program has extremely eclectic programming,
ranging from shred-rock to reggae to Eastern European folk music to jazz
vocals to bluegrass to Brazilian to blues (lots) to Cajun/Zydeco to the
hard-core folk show I do. (No classical at the moment.) Every show is hosted
by someone who knows and loves the music, and learned how to do radio,
rather than someone who knows radio and is trying to learn the music. Some
of the programs will drive your finger to the tuning button at warp speed,
some will fascinate and delight, and everyone will have a different choice.
Regular streaming is at www.kdhx.org ; we have high-quality streaming
available, too, but it costs a few bucks. Check out the program schedule at
the website and see if there's something that attracts. I recommend "Music
from the Hills" and, of course, my own program, "No Time to Tarry Here", but
there's an awful lot there. All program listings are Central Time (GMT -6 in
the winter, GMT -5 in the summer).

Peace,
Paul
 
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Paul Stamler wrote:
> "Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
> news:znr1108137194k@trad...
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>>I'm not that rabid a fan of classical music, but I listened to WETA
>>during the day (and even made my donations), but I'll have to find
>>some other form of background entertainment (and someplace else to put
>>my support dollars). I'm turning to the Internet more and more for
>>stations that offer other than top-40 and talk. Good thing I finally
>>got a DSL connection here.
>>
>>Anyone got suggestions for on-net alternate programming? I have
>>bookmarks for WWOZ, KBCS, and KEXP. WAMU's Bluegrass Country (round
>>the clock bluegrass) has their heart in the right place, but I find it
>>fatiguing to listen to for more than a couple of hours at a stretch.
>
>
> The station on which I do a program has extremely eclectic programming,
> ranging from shred-rock to reggae to Eastern European folk music to jazz
> vocals to bluegrass to Brazilian to blues (lots) to Cajun/Zydeco to the
> hard-core folk show I do. (No classical at the moment.) Every show is hosted
> by someone who knows and loves the music, and learned how to do radio,
> rather than someone who knows radio and is trying to learn the music. Some
> of the programs will drive your finger to the tuning button at warp speed,
> some will fascinate and delight, and everyone will have a different choice.
> Regular streaming is at www.kdhx.org ; we have high-quality streaming
> available, too, but it costs a few bucks. Check out the program schedule at
> the website and see if there's something that attracts. I recommend "Music
> from the Hills" and, of course, my own program, "No Time to Tarry Here", but
> there's an awful lot there. All program listings are Central Time (GMT -6 in
> the winter, GMT -5 in the summer).
>
> Peace,
> Paul
>
>
Hello,
well if it's any comfort, here in The Netherlands it has unfortunatelly
been the same lately. A far cry from the huge choice of everything,
including pirate stations broadcasting freely only some 2 years ago.
Fortunatelly, broadband has been around for some years now in Amsterdam
and many people have switched to listening online and giving donations
to whatever station they see as their personal favorite, regardless of
location. Sure, people have still been forced to listen to the radio in
cars, but with the boom of the ever-present mp3 players, more and more
people choose to "program" for themselves. Me being an optimist, and
people becoming ever more individually-minded, I think the people's
preference will prevail over what is being shoved down our throaths by
the commercial conglomerates. Not that they will stop trying but hey,
would it be so sweet if you didn't have to dig for it a little.
Cheers.
 
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Mike Rivers wrote:

> Anyone got suggestions for on-net alternate programming? I have
> bookmarks for WWOZ, KBCS, and KEXP. WAMU's Bluegrass Country (round
> the clock bluegrass) has their heart in the right place, but I find it
> fatiguing to listen to for more than a couple of hours at a stretch.

There's an exhaustive list of online feeds and related links at this site:

http://www.janecek.com/bitcasters.html

--Paul
 
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Radio Paradise is an outstanding eclectic rock/pop/worldbeat station.
Maybe a little too eclectic, but a great place to go to get a good
sampling of a broad range of genres. Check it out at
www.radioparadise.org.

For classical, try colorado public radio at www.cpr.org or Baltimore's
WBJC at www.wbjc.com.

For jazz, North Texas university's radio station, KNTU, is outstanding.
They are at www.kntu.org. Just be aware that they do broadcast
university sporting events from time to time and "black out" one or two
of their shows due to legal issues.



Paul Hilcoff wrote:
> Mike Rivers wrote:
>
> > Anyone got suggestions for on-net alternate programming? I have
> > bookmarks for WWOZ, KBCS, and KEXP. WAMU's Bluegrass Country (round
> > the clock bluegrass) has their heart in the right place, but I find
it
> > fatiguing to listen to for more than a couple of hours at a
stretch.
>
> There's an exhaustive list of online feeds and related links at this
site:
>
> http://www.janecek.com/bitcasters.html
>
> --Paul
 
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"Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
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> "We're in the business of trying to create a larger audience and have
> more people join our station." said Sharon Percy Rockifeller,
> president and CEO of WETA,

I sure hope people start waking up pretty soon!

We've got ourselves a BIG music problem and it's affecting all genres.
Everybody loves to put their own spin on the details but the fact is that
music broadcast programming, live music performances, high quality recorded
music and the professional recording of music are all rapidly going away
because people are not finding music to be compelling entertainment. People
are obviously having more fun jeering at Ashlee Simpson than from hearing
great music. What's wrong with this picture?

Hello????

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Mastering, Audio for Picture, Mix Evaluation and Quality Control
Over 40 years making people sound better than they ever imagined!
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Bob Olhsson wrote:

> We've got ourselves a BIG music problem and it's affecting all genres.
> Everybody loves to put their own spin on the details but the fact is that
> music broadcast programming, live music performances, high quality recorded
> music and the professional recording of music are all rapidly going away
> because people are not finding music to be compelling entertainment. People
> are obviously having more fun jeering at Ashlee Simpson than from hearing
> great music. What's wrong with this picture?

Maybe the industry itself, as a concept, is the biggest problem. Yeah,
we've hae some fun and some success in pro aduio recording for folks.
OTOH once upon a time nearly everybody played music _themselves_,
instead of feeling incapable of that, having been convinced by marketing
engines that only a chosen few can play music. Maybe a return to that
would be a good thing.

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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:51:56 GMT, walkinay@thegrid.net (hank alrich)
wrote:

>Bob Olhsson wrote:
>
>> We've got ourselves a BIG music problem and it's affecting all genres.
>> Everybody loves to put their own spin on the details but the fact is that
>> music broadcast programming, live music performances, high quality recorded
>> music and the professional recording of music are all rapidly going away
>> because people are not finding music to be compelling entertainment. People
>> are obviously having more fun jeering at Ashlee Simpson than from hearing
>> great music. What's wrong with this picture?
>
>Maybe the industry itself, as a concept, is the biggest problem. Yeah,
>we've hae some fun and some success in pro aduio recording for folks.
>OTOH once upon a time nearly everybody played music _themselves_,
>instead of feeling incapable of that, having been convinced by marketing
>engines that only a chosen few can play music. Maybe a return to that
>would be a good thing.

Yep... there was a time when just about every house had a fiddle, or a
piano, or a banjo in it, or at least your neighbor's house had someone
who could play and owned an instrument. There was a time when people
used to get together just to sing harmony. The music "industry" has
now become such a monster, that I think it's going to take sometime if
we ever return to those days. Probably a bigger culprit than the
music biz is the advent of radio and television, which turned people
into passive absorbers of entertainment, most folks having now
forgotten how to amuse themselves without a TV or a computer game.

Al
 
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Mike Rivers wrote:
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> Anyone got suggestions for on-net alternate programming? I have
> bookmarks for WWOZ, KBCS, and KEXP. WAMU's Bluegrass Country (round
> the clock bluegrass) has their heart in the right place, but I find it
> fatiguing to listen to for more than a couple of hours at a stretch.

My own stations is so much like Paul Stamler's that I could just swipe
his description directly. But I won't bother - you already have a good
idea of what I play, and the rest of the WRUW schedule is just
unbelievably varied. Bluegrass is on Mondays from 5-7PM.

As far as bluegrass is concerned, I've been playing a couple of new
releases regularly that are worth checking out:

1) The Dry Branch Fire Squad live at the Newburyport Firehouse, a very
enjoyable 2-CD set from Rounder (and produced by Ken Irwin) that
features both some great songs and Ron Thomason's spoken introductions.
He can be _very_ entertaining.

2) Bill Monroe live at Mechanics Hall, a 1963 recording on David
Grisman's Acoustic Disc label. The band featured Del McCoury and Bill
Keith among others.

And getting away from Bluegrass, I'm also very taken with a new CD by
"The Duhks" (pronounced Ducks) on Sugar Hill. Quite eclectic, but
probably too contemporary for you.

But as for a on-net suggestion, my friend Jim Blum at WKSU has a 24x7
feed of folk music at FolkAlley.com. It's done well and covers a lot of
ground. I suggest that you check it out. You might even occasionally
hear one of my recordings.

http://www.folkalley.com/

You can also hear his regular radio show on WKSU. It's streaming here
as I write this - he's on every Friday, Saturday and Sunday evening.

http://www.wksu.org/folk/

I note that he already has playlists posted for tonight, tomorrow, and
Sunday. Here's what's on during the current hour:

11:00 PM / Cheryl Wheeler: Gandhi/Buddha
feeling lucky / Diffrent Stripe / Cheryl Wheeler / Philo 116711

11:03 PM / Maura O'Connell: If You Love Me
Just In Time / Rounder 1124

11:07 PM / Pat Donohue: Love and Desire
Backroads / Adrienne Young/Mark Sanders / Bluesky 926

11:12 PM / Red Clay Ramblers: The Cat Came Back
old timey / LIVE / Traditional

11:16 PM / Chris Hillman(w/Tony Rice): So Begins The Task
FILE UNDER RICE! / Out of the Woodwork / Rounder 390

11:18 PM / Chip Taylor,Carrie Rodriguez: Sweet Tequila Blues
duet / Let's Leave This Town / Chip Taylor / Trainwreck 4009

11:22 PM / Herdman/Hills/Mangsen: Silken Dreams
Voices / FlyingFish 70546

11:27 PM / Bill Whelan: Mystic Seacliffs
The Roots of Riverdance / Jeff Hanna/ Marcuss Hummon / Universal 53106

11:29 PM / Kate & Anna McGarrigle: Come a Long Way
can't see flowers... / Dancer With Bruised Knees / Kate McGarrigle /
Hannibal 4402

11:33 PM / Richard Shindell: So Says The Whipporwill
Vuelta / Richard Shindell / KOCH 9538

11:38 PM / Julie Hoest: On the Other Side
Where I'm Standing / Resounding 322

11:42 PM / Leo Kottke-Guitar: I Yell at Traffic
Regards from Chuck Pink / Privatemus 2025

11:46 PM / Patty Griffin: Rain (Live)
A Kiss In Time / Patty Griffin / ATO

11:51 PM / David Francey: Wanna Be Loved
Kieran Kane,Banjo / The Waking Hour / David Francey / REDHOUSE 182

11:54 PM / The Duhks: The Dregs of Birch
then..full band! / The Duhks / Traditional / Sugar Hill 3997
 
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I you like the authentic old-time country blues (I do), this is a
great streaming audio site: http://weeniecampbell.com/juke/

http://weeniecampbell.com has lots of discussion for blues fanatics
but I mainly appreciate the music they play

Al



On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:24:18 -0500, Jim Gilliland
<usemylastname@cheerful.com> wrote:

>Mike Rivers wrote:
>>
>> Anyone got suggestions for on-net alternate programming? I have
>> bookmarks for WWOZ, KBCS, and KEXP. WAMU's Bluegrass Country (round
>> the clock bluegrass) has their heart in the right place, but I find it
>> fatiguing to listen to for more than a couple of hours at a stretch.
>
>My own stations is so much like Paul Stamler's that I could just swipe
>his description directly. But I won't bother - you already have a good
>idea of what I play, and the rest of the WRUW schedule is just
>unbelievably varied. Bluegrass is on Mondays from 5-7PM.
>
>As far as bluegrass is concerned, I've been playing a couple of new
>releases regularly that are worth checking out:
>
>1) The Dry Branch Fire Squad live at the Newburyport Firehouse, a very
>enjoyable 2-CD set from Rounder (and produced by Ken Irwin) that
>features both some great songs and Ron Thomason's spoken introductions.
> He can be _very_ entertaining.
>
>2) Bill Monroe live at Mechanics Hall, a 1963 recording on David
>Grisman's Acoustic Disc label. The band featured Del McCoury and Bill
>Keith among others.
>
>And getting away from Bluegrass, I'm also very taken with a new CD by
>"The Duhks" (pronounced Ducks) on Sugar Hill. Quite eclectic, but
>probably too contemporary for you.
>
>But as for a on-net suggestion, my friend Jim Blum at WKSU has a 24x7
>feed of folk music at FolkAlley.com. It's done well and covers a lot of
>ground. I suggest that you check it out. You might even occasionally
>hear one of my recordings.
>
>http://www.folkalley.com/
>
>You can also hear his regular radio show on WKSU. It's streaming here
>as I write this - he's on every Friday, Saturday and Sunday evening.
>
>http://www.wksu.org/folk/
>
>I note that he already has playlists posted for tonight, tomorrow, and
>Sunday. Here's what's on during the current hour:
>
>11:00 PM / Cheryl Wheeler: Gandhi/Buddha
>feeling lucky / Diffrent Stripe / Cheryl Wheeler / Philo 116711
>
>11:03 PM / Maura O'Connell: If You Love Me
>Just In Time / Rounder 1124
>
>11:07 PM / Pat Donohue: Love and Desire
>Backroads / Adrienne Young/Mark Sanders / Bluesky 926
>
>11:12 PM / Red Clay Ramblers: The Cat Came Back
>old timey / LIVE / Traditional
>
>11:16 PM / Chris Hillman(w/Tony Rice): So Begins The Task
>FILE UNDER RICE! / Out of the Woodwork / Rounder 390
>
>11:18 PM / Chip Taylor,Carrie Rodriguez: Sweet Tequila Blues
>duet / Let's Leave This Town / Chip Taylor / Trainwreck 4009
>
>11:22 PM / Herdman/Hills/Mangsen: Silken Dreams
>Voices / FlyingFish 70546
>
>11:27 PM / Bill Whelan: Mystic Seacliffs
>The Roots of Riverdance / Jeff Hanna/ Marcuss Hummon / Universal 53106
>
>11:29 PM / Kate & Anna McGarrigle: Come a Long Way
>can't see flowers... / Dancer With Bruised Knees / Kate McGarrigle /
>Hannibal 4402
>
>11:33 PM / Richard Shindell: So Says The Whipporwill
>Vuelta / Richard Shindell / KOCH 9538
>
>11:38 PM / Julie Hoest: On the Other Side
>Where I'm Standing / Resounding 322
>
>11:42 PM / Leo Kottke-Guitar: I Yell at Traffic
>Regards from Chuck Pink / Privatemus 2025
>
>11:46 PM / Patty Griffin: Rain (Live)
>A Kiss In Time / Patty Griffin / ATO
>
>11:51 PM / David Francey: Wanna Be Loved
>Kieran Kane,Banjo / The Waking Hour / David Francey / REDHOUSE 182
>
>11:54 PM / The Duhks: The Dregs of Birch
>then..full band! / The Duhks / Traditional / Sugar Hill 3997
 
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Mike Rivers wrote:
> "We're in the business of trying to create a larger audience and have
> more people join our station." said Sharon Percy Rockifeller,
> president and CEO of WETA, the Washington DC area's only
> non-commercial radio station that programs classicial music.
>
> Beginning February 28, the fifteen hours of weekday classical music
> programming will be dropped in favor of round-the-clock news,
> analysis, and interview programs.
>
> I thought that the purpose of public radio was to serve the needs and
> tastes of those not offered by other radio stations. I guess not. It
> appears it's to take in more money, just like commercial stations.
>
> I'm not that rabid a fan of classical music, but I listened to WETA
> during the day (and even made my donations), but I'll have to find
> some other form of background entertainment (and someplace else to put
> my support dollars). I'm turning to the Internet more and more for
> stations that offer other than top-40 and talk. Good thing I finally
> got a DSL connection here.
>
> Anyone got suggestions for on-net alternate programming? I have
> bookmarks for WWOZ, KBCS, and KEXP. WAMU's Bluegrass Country (round
> the clock bluegrass) has their heart in the right place, but I find it
> fatiguing to listen to for more than a couple of hours at a stretch.
>
>
>
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
> lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
> and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

www.wwhp.com
Playing the best in blues, bluegrass, alternative
and traditional country, rock, gospel and American Roots music

a guy near my home town started this station up in his house a few years
back. a great radio station with a wide ranging playlist
 

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Mike Rivers wrote:

>
> Anyone got suggestions for on-net alternate programming? I have
> bookmarks for WWOZ, KBCS, and KEXP. WAMU's Bluegrass Country (round
> the clock bluegrass) has their heart in the right place, but I find it
> fatiguing to listen to for more than a couple of hours at a stretch.
>

www.wdav.org - classical programming

www.wncw.org - American and World music
 
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Mike Rivers wrote:
> Anyone got suggestions for on-net alternate programming? I have
> bookmarks for WWOZ, KBCS, and KEXP. WAMU's Bluegrass Country (round
> the clock bluegrass) has their heart in the right place, but I find it
> fatiguing to listen to for more than a couple of hours at a stretch.

KPFA from UC Berkeley is definitely "alternate programming". :)
They have a fair amount of news stuff, so if you want music, you have
to pick and choose when to listen. But they have a weekly schedule,
and an archive section ( http://www.kpfa.org/archives/music/ ) of the
music programs, so you can check out programs and see if you'll like
them without having to tune in at the particular time.

KCSM 91.1 FM (from the College of San Mateo) is a pretty good Jazz
station. They used to have a 2-hour weekly program hosted by the
late Al "Jazzbo" Collins (I was a big fan). They have a list of
what they've recently played at http://www.jazzlist.org/ . Be
forewarned that they are in the middle of a pledge drive right now...

I've listened to KKJZ (California State University, Long Beach) a
bit too, and they're not bad ( http://www.jazzandblues.org/listen/ ).

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yes the corporation for public broadcasting has forced our npr
affiliate ( WOUB ) to discontinue it's jazz and classical programming
because the "market share" was not enough to warrant the finical
assistance. sounds like comcast to me, market share = lowest common
denominator, maybe it's the start of liberal talk radio but it is all
just BS on the airwaves.

Itunes has a good radio election.
WUMB.....

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In article <znr1108137194k@trad>, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers)
wrote:

> "We're in the business of trying to create a larger audience and have
> more people join our station." said Sharon Percy Rockifeller,
> president and CEO of WETA, the Washington DC area's only
> non-commercial radio station that programs classicial music.
>
> Beginning February 28, the fifteen hours of weekday classical music
> programming will be dropped in favor of round-the-clock news,
> analysis, and interview programs.
>
> I thought that the purpose of public radio was to serve the needs and
> tastes of those not offered by other radio stations. I guess not. It
> appears it's to take in more money, just like commercial stations.
>
> Anyone got suggestions for on-net alternate programming? I have
> bookmarks for WWOZ, KBCS, and KEXP. WAMU's Bluegrass Country (round
> the clock bluegrass) has their heart in the right place, but I find it
> fatiguing to listen to for more than a couple of hours at a stretch.

Mike, like you, I am not a huge classical fan. But I do occasionally
find myself dialing into WETA when I am on the road. Classical can
be calming when you're stuck in DC traffic.

My radio is programmed for WTMD, Towson Universty most of the time.
They stream at: http://www.wtmd.org
 
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Don't have anything here except a vote of support for internet radio.
Yahoo news has recently implemented these Associated Press one-minute
AVI clips. Freakin' brilliant. I can log onto Yahoo and get the same
major news as the networks in 5 minutes rather than 60.

Similarly, I look forward to internet radio giving us "all killer, no
filler" as that environment develops.
 
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In article <j8dPd.43564$uA.31278@fe1.texas.rr.com> lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com writes:

> KPFA from UC Berkeley is definitely "alternate programming". :)

We have a Pacifica station here in DC, WPFW, which has similar
programming. I listen to them sometimes (when they aren't talking).
With exception of an hour of blues at noon weekdays and some oddball
stuff on weekends, it's pretty much wailing saxophone jazz. OK for a
while.

> KCSM 91.1 FM (from the College of San Mateo) is a pretty good Jazz
> station.

> I've listened to KKJZ (California State University, Long Beach) a
> bit too, and they're not bad ( http://www.jazzandblues.org/listen/ ).

I've listened to those on the car radio when I've been in the area.
KKJZ (I still can't remember not to call it KLON, which I think still
has a working link) is usually listenable just about any time. Thanks
for the reminder. Not quite "smooth jazz" but rarely annoying like
enough of the music on WPFW to notice.



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On 11 Feb 2005 12:53:42 -0500, mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers)
wrote:

>Anyone got suggestions for on-net alternate programming? I have
>bookmarks for WWOZ, KBCS, and KEXP. WAMU's Bluegrass Country (round
>the clock bluegrass) has their heart in the right place, but I find it
>fatiguing to listen to for more than a couple of hours at a stretch.

My local NPR station here in Athens has good solid stretches of
classical music, and web streaming broadcast.

www.wuga.org

They've also got some very good jazz programs on Friday night.

jtougas

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