Best Gaming Laptop under 1500

[bluescreens]

The Dell P4M on the other hands, being 2 years old, already burned out an nVidia 5400 GO video card. That was quite a painful experience for me.

Bear in mind any flaw in a graphics card speaks to the poor quality of the graphics card (or case cooling, or just a random you-got-the-bad-apple-from-the-bushel) ... I don't think a graphics card that keeled over could illustrate a problem with a CPU, whether Intel or AMD. The two are not related. That's like not liking AMD because your Maxtor hard drive (located in an AMD system) dies - the two aren't related.

 

[bluescreens]

Whats the best cpu for games then? How does turion compare to centrino? and turion to dore duo?

I find some wicked cheap x700 based turions, but better graphics chipsets all seem to be in core duo which puts them out of my budget

For games, the CPU in the system is so far down the list of what's important compared to the GPU that it just isn't funny. Take a look at Tom's Hardware's charts of GPU performance and you'll see the differences - the CPU, as long as it's remotely modern, just doesn't impact that much.

Dell's single-core 9400 is available for $950; add the 7800 for $300 and you're at $1250 (granted, with no extra nice stuff, but you might not care) - and that's available now, without searching for coupons.

If you can wait a little while and are OK with checking websites 2-3x per week, check out www.gotapex.com every few days and you'll get Dell's coupons - save $650+ off of their notebook deals (IE configure one for over $2000 list price, apply coupon and save $650 immediately - get it at $1350). That's a serious discount.

Here's the current deal bits from GotApex:
DellHome - Dimension and Inspiron Coupon Codes! (Posted by: Brian)
Codes for Dell Dimension desktops and Inspiron laptops. May not be combinable with Deals of the Week, mail in rebates, dollars off, percentages off, or select other promotions. Only one coupon may be applied per cart at checkout. Deals expire 3/2/06 at 5:59AM Central or after 4000 redemptions unless otherwise noted.

* Dimension Desktops: DELL DIMENSION COMPUTER DEALS
o $300 off $999+ Dimension desktop purchases. Use code: 3H9N1VLCPM3B0R
* Inspiron Notebooks, excluding XPS notebooks. INSPIRON LAPTOP DEALS
o $500 off $1599+ Inspiron notebook purchases. Use code: ZGNFPBVQBP6QBD
+ 17" Widescreen Inspiron E1705 with Dual Core processor for $1099, just add $190+ worth of upgrades to use coupon. DELL INSPIRON E1705 CORE DUO NOTEBOOK DEAL
o $550 off $1699+ Inspiron notebook purchases. Use code: X7LZ32JSBGJ6VR
o $650 off $1999+ Inspiron notebook purchases. Use code: HHX5?X$QTF2XF4
* Three more deals for you too, with no coupons necessary:
o FREE 17" UltraSharp LCD monitor with XPS dual core Desktops, plus 12 months no interest. DELL XPS DESKTOP DEALS
o FREE DVD Burner and Battery upgrades with XPS M140 laptop, plus 12 months no interest. This 14.1" WXGA equipped laptop is just 1.5" thick and 5.5 lbs. DELL XPS M140 LAPTOP DEAL
o Inspiron E1705 Laptop with 1.66Ghz Intel Core Solo T1300, 17" WXGA+ TFT, 512MB DDR2, 60GB 5400RPM HD, 24x CD-RW/DVD combo, 802.11b/g wireless, Windows XP Media Center 2005, and 1 year warranty for $949! DELL INSPIRON E1705 CORE SOLO NOTEBOOK DEAL

(go to the site to get the link, found in CAPS.)

 

[Mech]

I agree with the discount. Though Dell's online customer support isn't good, to put it in polite terms. When I was trying to get a replacement video card for my lappy, I spent hours talking to technicians on Dell's "preferred" online technical support chat system...they told me that either I have to downgrade to a 32MB one, or spend around $600 to get a 256 MB one. What the heck? And a few days later I CALLED Dell, and the lady (who actually can speak proper English, thank goodness) located a 64MB one for me in less thatn 5 min. Cost? ~$100. Too bad Dell's online chat support isn't as good as the live one 8)

 

[bluescreens]

I agree with the discount. Though Dell's online customer support isn't good, to put it in polite terms. When I was trying to get a replacement video card for my lappy, I spent hours talking to technicians on Dell's "preferred" online technical support chat system...they told me that either I have to downgrade to a 32MB one, or spend around $600 to get a 256 MB one. What the heck? And a few days later I CALLED Dell, and the lady (who actually can speak proper English, thank goodness) located a 64MB one for me in less thatn 5 min. Cost? ~$100. Too bad Dell's online chat support isn't as good as the live one 8)

Agreed. I think you'll find that's true with many vendors. They outsource a LOT to India and China now.

 

[bluescreens]

Because the only thing at issue is the GPU.

What DELL notebook are you comparing this to? I want to configure it and see what the actual price is, and when the thing can actually be delivered.

GotApex.com has links & coupon codes.

Here's the info:

Dell E1705 (twin of Dell 9400), Core Duo 2300 (1.66x2) configured with 17" monitor, nVidia 7800 w/256MB, plus 802.11g+BT, 1G, 100GB 7200RPM, 9 cell battery, DVD burner, Windows XP Media Center 2005 - $1631 after $650 coupon (and honestly, these are common as mud)

KillerNotebook.Com MSI1029, Turion MT-40 (2.2 ghz x 1) configured with 15.4" monitor, Radeon X700 w/128MB, plus 802.11g+BT, 1G, 100GB 7200RPM, 8 cell battery, DVD burner, No Operating System (well, it's not mentioned, and I've asked twice...) - $1832

RawpowerPC.com MSI1029, Turion MT-40 (2.2 ghz x 1) configured with 15.4" monitor, Radeon X700 w/128MB, plus 802.11g+BT, 1G, 100GB 7200 RPM, 8 cell battery, DVD burner, No OS - $1579 (with XP Home, $1673; with MCE2005, $1709.)

(And I'm not even saying RawPowerPC has the cheapest of the MSI1029 solutions; they were just highly rated in resellerratings.com, http/www.resellerratings.com/seller8271-p1-s2-d1.html...)

So, KillerNotebooks.com has the most expensive solution, while offering exactly the same thing as what RawpowerPC offers for $250 less (of the Turion solutions).

Hmm.... and both don't have the big screen of the Dell (17") and the far faster graphics card of the Dell (nVidia 7800).

Hmm... I know which one I'd want for gaming.

 

[killernotebooks]

I have a lot of people contact me that say their DELL laptop has failed them.
I am NOT saying DELL has a bad machine.

Many people don't know that DELL doesn't actually MAKE the computer they are buying, and neither do I, neither does VooDoo or Alienware. We assemble them.

The main computer or chassis is provided to us by an ODM, or Original Design Manufacturer. VooDoo is really a Clevo, Dell uses Quanta for one line etc. etc. etc

I chose the main ODM for KillerNotebooks after a lot of research and hands on experience. I built systems from 3 different ODM's, I tried Intel and AMD processors, all with the same specs (only the processors varied).

My component requirements were:
* System had to have a 7,200 rpm hard drive, because in modern systems the hard drive is usually the bottleneck.
* System had to have 108 a/b/g/G+ 108 MBps internal wireless card.
* Systems had to have dedicated video memory.
*System had to have 1 Gig of memory on 1 chip so customers could upgrade in the future w/o hassle.

That being said, I looked at each system and determined:
* Size & Weight requirements sought after by my target audience.
* Chassis materials, and durability concerns.
* Screen design, luminosity, and overall appearance.
* Processor performance running the OS & Apps.
* Extra features such as DVD Burner, video outputs, ports etc.
* Warranty.
* Chipset Architecture.

That is how I determined my flagship product, or main product line. I had some stringent requirements for my customers to have a base system that was Killer. My concern was the end user, and my desire to build a company that was not for everyone but catered to the elite few.

Killer Notebooks.com

 

[killernotebooks]

Wow, I am being compared to RAW POWER.

You get what you pay for. First that DELL you are cherishing doesn't come up to that amount. You are taking $650 off the $400 instant savings so obviously you have never even bought a DELL before.

Maybe I could put you in touch with my customer who NEEDED his laptop on a Friday before the weekend and it was delivered to him in a 13" snow storm because I SAID he would have it. When he answered the door he said, "Oh my God, I can't believe you're here."

A customer had a problem with his computer after installing a improperly written bluetooth device driver. I diagnosed then fixed via custom written vb script that all he had to do was double click at 1:30 am because he needed it for work the next day.

How about the customer who lost a "foot" to his computer and I PRIORITY MAILED HIM ONE, his reply,

Thanks for taking care of this so quickly, Mark. I really appreciate it.

The wireless really is incredible. I'm seeing multple neighbors' open wireless netwoks that I never saw before with my Dell, or with my wife's iBook. Very cool...

I don't know why you are such a hater, but it is seriously misplaced.

So GRANDMASTER of LOOKING STUFF UP ON THE INTERNET I can honestly say, you have no clue what you are talking about. I would venture to guess that you look up anything and everything you can to support just your narrow minded opinion, and glean some cursory knowledge of the things you can't do. What I would like to know is if you know so much... why aren't you doing it?

If you ever built and supported even ONE computer you might change your tune a little bit. Until then feel free to sign off from your Mom's computer in her basement at any time. Maybe once school starts again Monday there will be a respite from your ramblings at least until 3:30.

 

[bluescreens]

Wow, I am being compared to RAW POWER.

Yes. You both sell exactly the same products. Is that not appropriate? It makes perfect sense to me. You're just upset because I pointed out your products cost $250 more than theirs for exactly the same thing.

You get what you pay for. First that DELL you are cherishing doesn't come up to that amount. You are taking $650 off the $400 instant savings so obviously you have never even bought a DELL before.

You are wrong. The price as I listed is exactly correct. You find the full price (which in this case was $2281) and subtract $650. That brings you to $1631. That's what I wrote.

Maybe I could put you in touch with my customer who NEEDED his laptop on a Friday before the weekend and it was delivered to him in a 13" snow storm because I SAID he would have it. When he answered the door he said, "Oh my God, I can't believe you're here."

Plenty of Dell customers are thrilled too. Of the big vendors they do very well.

A customer had a problem with his computer after installing a improperly written bluetooth device driver. I diagnosed then fixed via custom written vb script that all he had to do was double click at 1:30 am because he needed it for work the next day.

I'd question why it wasn't installed in the image in the first place. *Again*, what OS is included with your hardware? Is that an extra cost item?

How about the customer who lost a "foot" to his computer and I PRIORITY MAILED HIM ONE, his reply, Thanks for taking care of this so quickly, Mark. I really appreciate it.

The wireless really is incredible. I'm seeing multple neighbors' open wireless netwoks that I never saw before with my Dell, or with my wife's iBook. Very cool...

I don't know why you are such a hater, but it is seriously misplaced.

I don't hate anyone. But I do hate inaccurate information, and the information you've posted is wildly inaccurate. I called you on it, and you then went nuts from there. I've asked you direct questions, and you've consistently refused to reply. That suggests either A) you have something to hide or B) you don't have a clue why anyone would want 64 bits (among other issues), and so you're just repeating a marketing mantra.

So GRANDMASTER of LOOKING STUFF UP ON THE INTERNET I can honestly say, you have no clue what you are talking about. I would venture to guess that you look up anything and everything you can to support just your narrow minded opinion, and glean some cursory knowledge of the things you can't do. What I would like to know is if you know so much... why aren't you doing it?

If you say I have no clue, why can't you rebut my points?

If you ever built and supported even ONE computer you might change your tune a little bit. Until then feel free to sign off from your Mom's computer in her basement at any time. Maybe once school starts again Monday there will be a respite from your ramblings at least until 3:30.

When I can hold a technical discussion on 64 bit issues, and you cannot, it's quite obvious who knows what about computers. You assemble them, and I'm sure you do a wonderful job. But when you slam Intel and Dell with wildly inaccurate information, I responded. Keep the technical inaccuracies out of your posts and you won't have to keep losing the discussions.

And I still think posting commercial postings on non-commercial forums is _very_ poor business practice.

 

[killernotebooks]

So, it is the same product? RAW POWER comes to your house to make sure you have what they promise you?

RAW POWER writes scripts for you to fix device driver problems that aren't even issues with their build?

RAW POWER offers 108 G+ Wireless?

RAW POWER offers custom skins?

RAW POWER offers European Union, U.K. and Australian power plugs for the notebooks they sell?

You can post everything you want because I can't even take you seriously anymore. The one question you never reply to is, "If you know so much... then why aren't YOU doing it?"

What is your problem? Seriously, Get a life. I am done, you can que up "We are the Champions" MP3 and dance around your mom's basement doing your "forum victory dance" in your underwear now Grand Master.

 

[bluescreens]

So, it is the same product? RAW POWER comes to your house to make sure you have what they promise you?

So now you're saying you'll take trips to any of your customer's homes, whether in Mexico, Alaska, Hawaii, or New York City? You're kidding, right?

RAW POWER writes scripts for you to fix device driver problems that aren't even issues with their build?

Your "install script" can be handled a variety of different ways; your way isn't the only way.

RAW POWER offers 108 G+ Wireless?

Did you read the system I priced out? Bluetooth is a spec on the sheet, and so there is no 108G possible - on your system.

RAW POWER offers custom skins?

If a custom ("Carbon Fiber Gaming") skin is worth $250 more, plus the $30 fee for the skin, more power to the customer. But let's let them make an informed choice - I suspect most will be able to do without that skin for $280.

RAW POWER offers European Union, U.K. and Australian power plugs for the notebooks they sell?

One could call and ask, but since adapters are available in any decent hotel, many convenience stores, most computer stores, and any airport, who cares? Oh, and do you travel to EMEA / UK / Aust. homes for house calls too?

You can post everything you want because I can't even take you seriously anymore. The one question you never reply to is, "If you know so much... then why aren't YOU doing it?"

There's no money and, nowadays, very little skill in hardware assembly. When anyone can buy an MSI1029 from MSI and then buy parts and assemble them, there is no money in it. Dell doesn't make money unless they sell tens of thousands of parts.

And architecture is much more interesting. I get to play with 64 bit systems - and I actually understand *why* one would want a 64 bit system, unlike some people.

What is your problem? Seriously, Get a life. I am done, you can que up "We are the Champions" MP3 and dance around your mom's basement doing your "forum victory dance" in your underwear now Grand Master.

I have no problem aside from, as I already listed, your wildly inaccurate posts. Stop making those and you'll stop losing discussions.

Say - maybe fourth time's the charm - what OS is included in your notebooks?

 

[killernotebooks]

E1750 configured right at DELL:
* First this is a 1.66 GHz Core Duo which, hey if you believe this is what you need then by all means get it. It is going to be no match for a 2.2 GHz Turion MT-40 which is a 3900+ desktop equivalent by the way, but GrandMaster doesn't mentiun the 2.13 GHz Core Duo which more closely will match the Turion is +$650.
* He doesn't include the $150 Tru-Life upgrade which KillerNotebooks offers Glossy Tru-Brite standard.
* Add another $100 for the 1 gig of RAM which they don't mention is on 2 chips.
* The 100 Gig 7,200 rpm hard drive, add another $325 for that. I guess he doesn't know the difference between 5,400 and 7,200.
* 8x DVD burner that is stabdard on Killer Notebooks is another $60
* Add at least Intel Pro 3945 a/g 54 MBps wireless for another $25 still not giving you the Killer Notebooks BASE a/b/g/G+ 108 MBps wireless capabilities.
* GeForce Go 7800 another $299 (no GT or GTX?)
* Killer Notebooks has an 8 Cell battery standard, you can't really compare a 6 cell to that so another $99 to upgrade to a 9 cell on the DELL.

Total Price right off DELL's site: $2,555 then take his $650 coupon off (if it is still active) $1,900 AND you're running around with a 1.66 GHz core duo 32 bit processor instead of a 2.2 Ghz 3900+ 64 bit desktop equivalent.
Just wanted to point out that you were full of it while you did your "forum victory dance" GrandMaster.

 

[killernotebooks]

I'm all done dude, you're the GrandMaster, you know all.[/b]

 

[bluescreens]

E1750 configured right at DELL:
* First this is a 1.66 GHz Core Duo which, hey if you believe this is what you need then by all means get it. It is going to be no match for a 2.2 GHz Turion MT-40 which is a 3900+ desktop equivalent by the way, but GrandMaster doesn't mentiun the 2.13 GHz Core Duo which more closely will match the Turion is +$650.

So then the customer will get not just one, but *TWO* CPUs in the Dell that are faster than the single Turion CPU. Wonderful. But unnecessary.

* He doesn't include the $150 Tru-Life upgrade which KillerNotebooks offers Glossy Tru-Brite standard.

The MSI1029 display isn't that great. Here's a comparison from an MSI1029 review: http/www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2617 ... take a look at the picture and you can see the MSI1029's display is ... suboptimal, or at least not as nice as the Asus, which isn't really well-known as a stellar performer either.

* Add another $100 for the 1 gig of RAM which they don't mention is on 2 chips.

Already included in the price as quoted.

* The 100 Gig 7,200 rpm hard drive, add another $325 for that. I guess he doesn't know the difference between 5,400 and 7,200.
* 8x DVD burner that is stabdard on Killer Notebooks is another $60
* Add at least Intel Pro 3945 a/g 54 MBps wireless for another $25 still not giving you the Killer Notebooks BASE a/b/g/G+ 108 MBps wireless capabilities.
* GeForce Go 7800 another $299 (no GT or GTX?)
* Killer Notebooks has an 8 Cell battery standard, you can't really compare a 6 cell to that so another $99 to upgrade to a 9 cell on the DELL.

Fortunately, all of that (not Intel wireless; it's Dell wireless "G" and Dell BT) is included in the price I've already posted, $1631, which is several hundred dollars less than your "Killer" notebook price, for which a customer would get an inferior GPU and a smaller screen.

Total Price right off DELL's site: $2,555 then take his $650 coupon off (if it is still active) $1,900 AND you're running around with a 1.66 GHz core duo 32 bit processor instead of a 2.2 Ghz 3900+ 64 bit desktop equivalent.Just wanted to point out that you were full of it while you did your "forum victory dance" GrandMaster.

Nah; price as I listed is exactly correct - $1631, with DVD, 9 cell battery, 1G RAM, 802.11g+BT, etc. I don't know where you get your $1900 price, but it isn't from Dell's site. It's still $2281-$650, exactly as I wrote.

I didn't include TruBrite/UltraSharp/Etc. because the MSI's screens aren't, either. They're anti-glare, but not TruBrite (or similar, depending on marketing terminology). One common issue with TruBrite-style screens (from any vendor) is glare, so make up your mind - is your system TruBrite or is it anti-glare? MSI says AntiGlare....

Say, MSI also says their MSI1029s are DDR333 (http/www.msicomputer.com/NB/product_spec.asp?model=MS-1029). Why do you say your systems have DDR400 memory? (http/www.killernotebooks.com/comparison.htm) Isn't that illegal? Or maybe you're just talking about how fast the SO-DIMM is, and you're not talking about how fast it actually runs once it's in the MSI-1029 portable you sell? Sneaky.

Is MSI wrong? Maybe they're wrong, and you've got an MSI1029 that is DDR400..?? Best to inform their advertising department....

PS: The MSI1029 review I referenced (http/www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2617) stated the MSI1029 has some RAM issues. Dual SODIMMs used in the board bring memory timing down even further, to DDR266 speeds. Is that why you sell a single SODIMM with 1G on it?

Enjoy!

 

[killernotebooks]

Nah; price as I listed is exactly correct - $1631, with DVD, 9 cell battery, 1G RAM, 802.11g+BT, etc. I don't know where you get your $1900 price, but it isn't from Dell's site. It's still $2281-$650, exactly as I wrote.

Nah GrandMaster the price isn't right. You are taking DELL's instant savings off which you don't get when you use the coupon so obviously you have never even bought a DELL with a coupon, or maybe you just bought it in question marks like your real-world computer knowledge. NONE.

I didn't include TruBrite/UltraSharp/Etc. because the MSI's screens aren't, either. They're anti-glare, but not TruBrite (or similar, depending on marketing terminology). One common issue with TruBrite-style screens (from any vendor) is glare, so make up your mind - is your system TruBrite or is it anti-glare? MSI says AntiGlare....

LOL, so you are reading specs, because you have never even seen the system and telling ME who built 30 of them last month that I don't know what kind of screen it has? ROFL. Yea, BUZZ, the screen is Tru-Brite, which is Anti-Glare, I really can't believe I am explaining this but essentially you extrapolate from

One common issue with TruBrite-style screens (from any vendor) is glare, so make up your mind - is your system TruBrite or is it anti-glare?

that since a glossy screen generally has more glare that an anti-glare screen means it is not Tru-Brite.

Well little guy, since you are READING everything you know, because you don't have a car yet, I will give you this link to a picture of the screen so you can see that it is in fact Tru-Brite, and it does in fact look great. Before you quote this and say, "No it doesn't" take a picture of the screen on your DELL (that you don't have) you are using and post it.

Say, MSI also says their MSI1029s are DDR333 (http/www.msicomputer.com/NB/product_spec.asp?model=MS-1029). Why do you say your systems have DDR400 memory? (http/www.killernotebooks.com/comparison.htm) Isn't that illegal? Or maybe you're just talking about how fast the SO-DIMM is, and you're not talking about how fast it actually runs once it's in the MSI-1029 portable you sell? Sneaky.
PS: The MSI1029 review I referenced (http/www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2617) stated the MSI1029 has some RAM issues. Dual SODIMMs used in the board bring memory timing down even further, to DDR266 speeds. Is that why you sell a single SODIMM with 1G on it?

My favorite part of your idiotic quotes is right there. If you had ever built one of these systems you would have known that the new BIOS coupled with the correct memory chipset takes care of this problem which was pretty much posted last summer, but you already know that because you are the GrandMaster of the forums and you saw that when you looked it up. You only put 1/2 the truth down, like hte rest of your little teenage jibberish, which pretty much kills any last shread of credability you had.

Now, I wanted to straighten out some of your lies, but I really can't waste any more of my time on your little games. Unfortunately you are going to have to find someone else to flame on the forum to feel like your life has meaning. I am no longer being notified when a reply is posted so you can rant all you want GrandMaster Brovine. I don't think anyone is going to find your little quotes and "forum knowledge" a credible alternative to real world experience.

KILLERnotebooks.com

 

[killernotebooks]

Oh yea, one last thing you forgot to add into the $2,555 DELL quote minus the $650 coupon is the tax, shipping and handeling from DELL.

If you want to argue the point, go configure the system with all the PROPER add ons to make it comperable to the Killer go to check out at DELLs site, apply your coupon that probably isn't active anymore and enter in the shipping info and get a screen shot of the true cost of $2,100 after shipping and tax.


... that's what I thought. You don't know how to do any of that, and don't even have a website to post a picture to. You are DEFINATELY someone people should be listening to.

 

[bluescreens]

Nah GrandMaster the price isn't right. You are taking DELL's instant savings off which you don't get when you use the coupon so obviously you have never even bought a DELL with a coupon, or maybe you just bought it in question marks like your real-world computer knowledge. NONE.

I don't understand why you're still confused. The Dell's price is $2281. That's the full price, without coupons, rebates, incentives, or the automatic $400 off. Then apply the $650 coupon. That takes you to $1631. It's really very basic. Thousands of people do it. Why can't you, aside from the fact that you're selling competing systems and have a vested interest in being confused at this?

LOL, so you are reading specs, because you have never even seen the system and telling ME who built 30 of them last month that I don't know what kind of screen it has? ROFL. Yea, BUZZ, the screen is Tru-Brite, which is Anti-Glare, I really can't believe I am explaining this but essentially you extrapolate from One common issue with TruBrite-style screens (from any vendor) is glare, so make up your mind - is your system TruBrite or is it anti-glare?

that since a glossy screen generally has more glare that an anti-glare screen means it is not Tru-Brite.

Well little guy, since you are READING everything you know, because you don't have a car yet, I will give you this link to a picture of the screen so you can see that it is in fact Tru-Brite, and it does in fact look great. Before you quote this and say, "No it doesn't" take a picture of the screen on your DELL (that you don't have) you are using and post it.

You're honestly trying to compare a basic antiglare 1280x800 15" screen with Dell's Ultrasharp 1920x1280 17" screen, and you're trying to tell me they're the same? Don't be absurd. BTW: MSI doesn't agree with you. They don't market the screen as anything but antiglare. You really should get in touch with their marketing department - you've found several innovations in their productline! In any case, the price as stated is more than fair - MSI 1280x800 screen vs. Dell 1440x900 screen 17" screen; the Dell, obviously, having the better screen. And the better graphics card, too, most importantly.

Say, MSI also says their MSI1029s are DDR333 (http/www.msicomputer.com/NB/product_spec.asp?model=MS-1029). Why do you say your systems have DDR400 memory? (http/www.killernotebooks.com/comparison.htm) Isn't that illegal? Or maybe you're just talking about how fast the SO-DIMM is, and you're not talking about how fast it actually runs once it's in the MSI-1029 portable you sell? Sneaky.
PS: The MSI1029 review I referenced (http/www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2617) stated the MSI1029 has some RAM issues. Dual SODIMMs used in the board bring memory timing down even further, to DDR266 speeds. Is that why you sell a single SODIMM with 1G on it?

My favorite part of your idiotic quotes is right there. If you had ever built one of these systems you would have known that the new BIOS coupled with the correct memory chipset takes care of this problem which was pretty much posted last summer, but you already know that because you are the GrandMaster of the forums and you saw that when you looked it up. You only put 1/2 the truth down, like hte rest of your little teenage jibberish, which pretty much kills any last shread of credability you had.

Now, I wanted to straighten out some of your lies, but I really can't waste any more of my time on your little games. Unfortunately you are going to have to find someone else to flame on the forum to feel like your life has meaning. I am no longer being notified when a reply is posted so you can rant all you want GrandMaster Brovine. I don't think anyone is going to find your little quotes and "forum knowledge" a credible alternative to real world experience.

You really should inform MSI then, because their marketing information clearly stated these issues. MSI actually states DDR333 on their system. Do you know why this might be the case?

Say, maybe fifth time is the charm - what OS do you ship with your systems, and is it an extra-cost item? Why can't you answer this basic, basic question?

 

[bluescreens]

Oh yea, one last thing you forgot to add into the $2,555 DELL quote minus the $650 coupon is the tax, shipping and handeling from DELL.

If you want to argue the point, go configure the system with all the PROPER add ons to make it comperable to the Killer go to check out at DELLs site, apply your coupon that probably isn't active anymore and enter in the shipping info and get a screen shot of the true cost of $2,100 after shipping and tax.


... that's what I thought. You don't know how to do any of that, and don't even have a website to post a picture to. You are DEFINATELY someone people should be listening to.

You're legally obligated to pay tax for all purchases. If you, as a vendor, are encouraging customers not to pay the tax owed to the government, you're committing fraud, tax evasion, and, surely, other penalties as well.

"Proper add-ons"? Don't make me laugh. How much is the "Killer" add-on to add a Radeon X1800 or nVidia 7800? How much is the "Killer" add-on to add a 17" LCD screen at 1440x900?

Get real. Your system doesn't stack up. It's not half bad - no one is really saying it is - but it doesn't stack up for a gamer looking for a hot games system with a hot graphics card. The X700 is a decent mid-range last-generation card. For a gamer, the nVidia 7800 is a vastly, vastly better purchase - it is the highest end card (save the GT/GTX) model of the current generation - a huge leap over the X700.

And to top it all off, the Dell's cheaper too, once configured by an independent customer (rather than Dell's competition).

 

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Date & Time: February 25,2006 5:22 PM CST

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Intel® Core™ Duo Processor T2300 (1.66GHz/667MHz FSB), Genuine Windows® XP Media Center Edition 2005 Unit Price $2,281.00
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Inspiron E1705 Intel® Core™ Duo Processor T2300 (1.66GHz/667MHz FSB)
Operating System (Office software not included) Genuine Windows® XP Media Center Edition 2005
LCD Panel 17 inch Wide Screen XGA+ Display
Memory 1GB Shared Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 533MHz
Video Card 256MB NVIDA® GeForce™ Go 7800
Hard Drive 100GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive
Network Card Integrated 10/100 Network Card and Modem
Adobe Software Adobe® Acrobat® Reader 6.0
Combo/DVD+RW Drives 8x CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) with double-layer DVD+R write capability
Wireless Networking Cards Dell Wireless 1390 802.11g Mini Card (54Mbps)
Office Software (not included in Windows XP) No productivity suite- Corel WordPerfect word processor only
Anti-Virus/Security Suite (Pre-installed) No Security Subscription
Primary Battery 80 WHr 9-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery
Hardware Warranty 1Yr Ltd Warranty, 1Yr Mail-In Service, and 1Yr HW Warranty Support
Dial-Up Internet Access 6 Months of America Online Membership Included
Wireless Personal Networking Card Dell Wireless 350 Bluetooth Internal(2.0 + Enhanced Data Rate)
Operating System Backup & Recovery PC Restore recovery system by Symantec
Dell Digital Entertainment Starter Entertainment Pack - Basic digital Music, Photo and Game experience
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how amusing :roll:
you're losing sight at the fact that you can't compare a 17" model with a 15".
obviously the heavier/larger notebook can dish out more gpu power...and fyi the 7800 isn't the holy grail of notebook GPUs, the 7800GTX is, the vanilla 7800 is average. it is highly comparable to the x1600, go look at benchmarks/user reviews on a dedicated notebook sight notebookforums.com
i would buy a notebook that has mobility AND power over a DTR anyday...that is my definition of a laptop. of course some pple are looking for a DTR, but that's not the point. you guys are arguing over nonsense, just a classic case of portability vs. power. both are good choices, neither is superior over the other. killernotebooks' flagship model packs an awesome amount of performance in a light/small package. the dell has more performance but at a price, you'll have a brick on your hands. depends what defines "best gaming laptop" in the threadmaster's mind. enuff of this bickering plz.
just my two cents.

 

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how amusing :roll:
you're losing sight at the fact that you can't compare a 17" model with a 15".
obviously the heavier/larger notebook can dish out more gpu power...and fyi the 7800 isn't the holy grail of notebook GPUs, the 7800GTX is, the vanilla 7800 is average. it is highly comparable to the x1600, go look at benchmarks/user reviews on a dedicated notebook sight notebookforums.com
i would buy a notebook that has mobility AND power over a DTR anyday...that is my definition of a laptop. of course some pple are looking for a DTR, but that's not the point. you guys are arguing over nonsense, just a classic case of portability vs. power. both are good choices, neither is superior over the other. killernotebooks' flagship model packs an awesome amount of performance in a light/small package. the dell has more performance but at a price, you'll have a brick on your hands. depends what defines "best gaming laptop" in the threadmaster's mind. enuff of this bickering plz.
just my two cents.

Well, you can compare anything you like; it's just a question of whether it's a valid comparison or not. I'd suggest that the extra pound and a half of weight is a fine tradeoff for the substantially more performance, but those who must have a 15.4" screen, for some reason, may be OK with putting up with slower performance. It all depends on what's wanted; some people may really want a 12.1" screen and may be willing to accept, say, integrated graphics. It all depends.

The Dell...brick...comments don't really fly - it's another 1.5 pounds or so, or about 20% more weight. That's not a lot unless there's a specific reason the size isn't acceptable. In return, you get a larget screen that will display more (a benefit to most people) and you get a far better and more modern GPU.

Actually, we're not arguing over much; I'd point out why KN's 64-bit comments were wrong (or just ask _why_ he wrote what he did), and he'd move on to talking about something else. It's difficult to argue in those circumstances.