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Skylyne

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Avast doesn't have a good track record with me, and I've seen more positive reviews about Bitdefender. I'd say the Bitdefender/Malwarebytes combo.

What problems have you heard about Bitdefender, and where from? There's always going to be some horror stories with every AV program out there.
 

Huang Ray

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So, ignore others, Bitdefender free + Malwarebytes free is the best combination for free anti virus and malware ?

Also, why bitdefender is better than avast?
Ty
 

Skylyne

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Bitdefender uses less resources, scores higher marks with AV-Comparatives, and has a better rating overall from most of the major reviews I've seen (not random forum people). Most of the major publications I've seen have also rated Bitdefender higher than Avast; sometimes marginally, sometimes more than that. AV-Comparatives (as of August this year) shows no false positives from their testing, with either Bitdefender or Avast, but Bitdefender has a higher detection rate with their real-world testing. Which would you pick? While the detection rate difference is marginal at 3.5%, it's still higher. For file detection, Bitdefender comes out ahead by a slim margin. Performance is impacted significantly more by Avast, from their testing as well. The false alarm tests showed Bitdefender at 3, and Avast at 95 (as of March this year). Other reports of theirs either don't include both, or are outdated.

To expand on the false alarms v. false positives (for those who won't read the PDF documentation on their site): "Most false alarms will probably fall into the first two levels most of the time. In our opinion, antivirus products should not have false alarms on any sort of clean files regardless of how many users are currently affected by them. While some AV vendors may play down the risk of false alarms and play up the risk of malware, we are not going to rate products based on what the supposed prevalence of false alarms is. We already allow a certain amount of false alarms (currently 10) inside our clean set before we start penalizing scores, and in our opinion products which produce a higher amount of false alarms are also more likely to produce false alarms on more prevalent files (or in other sets of clean files). The prevalence data we give about clean files is just for informational purpose. The listed prevalence can differ inside the report, depending on which file/version the false alarm occurred, and/or how many files of the same kind were affected."

Let's cover the different levels of FA's you can have. Levels 1-5 will basically explain how many users are likely to be affected by the false positive, and whether or not it should be considered a false positive based on signatures/software popularity/etc.. Level 1 is a rare instance, or something that doesn't show up on many computers; whereas level 5 would be something that's kind of a facepalm. For lack of a better way to put it, it is effectively a measure of how "bad" the security software is to have considered it a false positive. Okay, that's a bad way to put it; but I'm not about to get stupidly technical here (I am somewhat sick today, after all). So, how many false alarms were above level 2 for both? Bitdefender had none, out of the three it picked up. Avast had 14- level 3 FA's, 4- level 4 FA's, and 2- level 5 FA's, out of the 95 in total. 1/5 of the false positives were a level 3, or higher, which is kind of staggering. Would I go with Avast after knowing this? Hell no. Even though this information is from March, and is only considering false alarms, it isn't entirely comforting to me. I don't want false positives on this kind of stuff because it will make my life a much bigger hassle. I have dealt with these types of false positives too much over the years, and it's quite annoying.

False positives will always vary on what kind of work you're doing, and what exactly is triggering your software into thinking there is a false positive. Considering that information, I ran VirusTotal scans on some common pirate cracks/keygens (which AV-Comparatives does not count in their false alarm testing), as some of these items do trigger false positives/alarms. Out of four common keygens/cracks, one of them threw up a false positive from Bitdefender, and nothing came up positive with Avast. With this kind of thing, I can understand false positives; however, there are much more paranoid AV wares out there that will flag any of these as infections (when they aren't). This is a weird example, but it's something I knew would be quick and easy to run checks on (small files to upload, and I know these often trigger false positives with certain software I've used in the past). Does that mean Avast will give you less false positives, with these things? No, as this is only a small sample. In order to know whether people are truly catching false positives on forums, they'd need to explain what was considered a false positive, upload a copy to VirusTotal, share a link, and maybe even send a copy to someone willing to dissect it. Otherwise, users reporting false positives could be basing their reports on nothing, or bad information. If someone wants the VT report for the one false positive on the keygen I scanned, here it is- VirusTotal Scan for keymaker.exe with 30/54 detection ratio. Obviously, this is just an example of what might be reported as a false positive by some people on forums; so take it with a grain of salt.

Based on the information above, and without my personal experiences getting involved, what would I pick? Bitdefender. If you want to see the report I quoted, it's on AV-Comparative's website under False Alarm Tests. Hopefully this was helpful... it took quite a while to write that up.
 
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My experience with Bitdefender Free was - Cloud scanning (Slowness) and very, very limited options.
It does have a very good detection rate for this year though, I'd still generally prefer a product that is on my system rather than theirs (To expand on that, I do believe that a lack of connection will cause it to scan based on the previous available definitions, don't quote me on it).

It's a good little piece of software.... Just not for me. I like to have a good combo of options without being too complex, in this day and age where every company needs to know everything about you and assumes you give consent by using one of their products, I like to have the ability to explore 'said product to see exactly what it does and does not do in that regard.

It's a suitable tool for someone who just wants to install and forget about it. I did find the scanning unbearably slow mind-you, compared to Panda Cloud (Free) which, obviously by name, is also another cloud scanner.

On my travels I did notice a few of these popular free ones are resorting to cloud scanning for their free copies now - Namely, Avira, Panda and the aforementioned Bitdefender. Two of those having near-identical web designs for that page (Ie, Avira and Bitdefender). Just found that interesting really.

Bottom line really though is to take measures when browsing. Ad Block and to ask before downloading are very suitable additions for the bits you can't control.
As someone said earlier in this thread, your antivirus should be your last line of defence really.
 

Skylyne

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I've had zero problems so far with the time it takes for Bitdefender's scanning (I have scanned a number of things for testing by now). Honestly, it doesn't even seem like it uses cloud scanning. If it did, I would have been waiting a lot longer for certain scans to finish. Either it's uploading so efficiently that it's magically sped up my internet connection for just Bitdefender scans, or it wasn't uploading my files (possibly running a hash against their own cloud database?). The results for many things came back within a couple seconds; which is too fast for it to have uploaded to the cloud, ran a scan, and delivered a result on my connection. For most people, a half megabyte file will take a second to up/download, but not for me... 640kb/s upload speeds. I have to assume their working with hash info for scanning, and only uploading when there is a new hash value. If that's the case, I'll have to start compiling some new steganography files for it to scan; that way I'll definitely have a hash value they won't have on their servers. I'll get to that later, though.

If they are running hash checks, then I'm assuming your scanned files, Distello, are pretty large in size, and are more or less personal files? If so, that might explain the slow speeds?
 
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This was my short attempt at running a full scan, since there's no options to do such a thing in the menu I had to right click the C:/ drive and do it that way. More or less attempting to test the waters if it could pick up anything the others missed. I say full scan, I have multiple drives in this system and only went for the C:/ drive, but hey ho.

I quit long before it was finished. I patiently gave it around 20 minutes, at which I believe it sat at around 30-40% complete (Bearing in mind this is a small SSD with only about 30GB taken up on it). It's difficult to tell on the free version because it lacks any kind of percentage figure, just a thin blue bar around the edge of the work order box.

My connection is even more shitty than yours xD Being in the UK n' all - Highest I ever see it go is about 420KB/s.
I would put it down to that had it not been for the Panda version completing the entire system in around the same time period.

Is this with the free version in your case? I don't think the paid equivalent uses cloud scanning.
 

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I use Avast, Malwarebytes and Spybot S&D all of which are free
 

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Yeah I know about not using two AV programs at once. Many people, including in this forum have said Malwarebytes is good and doesn't interfere, if it's worth it I'll use it.

My last experience with bitdefender was pretty horrible, this was a couple years ago, maybe it's improved over the years. I remember it was extremely buggy and would quarantine viruses but wouldn't remove them or something like that, it was extremely frustrating. Going by AV Comparatives wouldn't Trend Micro or Avira be the best to use? I had used Norton before and it seemed great, AV Comparatives didn't even test it though is it that bad?

http://www.surfright.nl/en/hitmanpro

Is this the official website for Hitman Pro? What are the likelihoods of false positives?
 

chris987

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i dont use any antivirus however over the years i have tried various free version of them. i really havent encountered any serious issue while not using one so i cant find a good reason having one. im very carfull with my internet activities and im currently only running essentials. however i cant see any benefit of running it lol.! another reason than prevents me from using one, is that on my previous builds, (having only HDD's) there where always some inpact on pc responsiveness and somehow leading into strange cpu spikes that i hated the most, despite any tweaking attempted !
 

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Ran Hitman Pro, found over a hundred tracking cookies, and 1 Malware "not-a-virus:Downloader.NSIS.Mazel.f" (Kaspersky symbol) false positive? Some "Conduits" etc too, not sure what those were.
 

Skylyne

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When I ran a full scan, I right clicked the tray icon, and selected "Full System Scan." Scanning your entire hard disk will always take longer, as it has to comb through every single file. If you select to run a system scan, it will only search your OS files/folders. There's a significant difference between the two. I tried the same method you tried, except on a 320 GB HDD, and it did take a long time; but, that's also because it had to search through everything on that drive.

When you typed out your connection speed, you typed it out in kilobytes; I typed mine in kilobits. If you're implying you get 420 KB/s, and not 420 Kb/s, that would be a huge difference, and you'd have a much speedier connection than I.

And yes, my scans have all been done with the free version. I have yet to personally run a paid security software. I have only recently found some that I might be willing to pay for, but I don't like yearly subscriptions; I find them a waste of money, as I tend to switch software often when testing.


Even though many people claim Malwarebytes doesn't interfere, I've seen zero proof of it. Would I do it? Hell no; I'd rather use IE than run two security wares at once. Call it a bit paranoid, but that's how likely it is for these wares to get in the way of each other. The way these programs are designed to work should cause red flags when they are run simultaneously. When they don't, I have to wonder what is being missed. Unless I see an IT expert condone using two live security wares simultaneously, on the record, with some sort of proof that it is safe, I won't consider it okay.

I've heard some spotted history with Bitdefender, but recent testing shows it's improved significantly. Avira would be a decent choice, though the number of false positives and false alarms from AV Comparatives makes me a little uneasy. The reason I don't like false positives is because it leave a lot of room for doubt. When an on-the-fly decision is made to ignore a red flag, that opens up Pandora's box; and with software that is known to have false alarms, the likelihood of an on-the-fly acceptance of a contaminated file would be increased (from a psychological perspective). I'd rather have a lower detection rate, with zero false positives, and take extra precautions to avoid the other small percentage of infections to begin with. Also, Avira had two false alarms from AV-C that were above a level two, out of six alarms in total. There was a level 4, and a level 5 false alarm. While it's a minimal number, it leaves me plenty of room for questions. Trend Micro had 4/5 FA's over level 2, with two of them at level 3, and one at levels 4 and 5. Trend Micro also has a very big impact on system resources; the second highest score on system impact, actually (which is bad). Trend also has a unique way of letting the user accept/deny the last .6% of infections, which worries me for the user's sake; even though it has only one false positive. I prefer to air on the side of caution, and pick something that does not allow a user to allow/deny upfront, as the context of the situation could cause an infection.

Really, it comes down to what you're willing to deal with. Are you willing to trade a marginal amount of protection from real-world threats for higher false alarm counts? Do you want to trade performance for a more customisable program? Do your research, and make a decision with what you're willing to deal with; I can't make that decision for anyone else but me. I've made my case for backing up Bitdefender quite clear; it's the best compromise that I find overall. Everything else, when you look at the detailed reports, seems to be somewhat worrisome from a sceptical security aspect. I'm willing to trade in my customisation for a program that performs [what I find to be] nearly perfect in the results published. If you're not, then figure out what you're willing to sacrifice.

Remember, I'm a very paranoid user, and I have seen people get infected with many different accept/allow methods, and by overriding what they think is a false alarm/positive when it isn't; so I am quite biased with this stuff. Hell, I've watched many people ignore blatant warnings of potential threats, and pursue whatever they were doing without any security software; so my recommendations are tailored more for the people who don't question everything like they should. If you do question everything, then take my opinion as the guy who doesn't want to spend extra time researching every alert that pops up. If you're okay with spending the extra time to figure out if something is safe/harmful, then be my guest; I've simply become tired of it, and I expect more from security companies these days than what most tend to expect.


Tracking cookies are relatively harmless; I always eliminate those from scans, as I take care of them myself (I block them from most sites). As far as your malware search, it looks like a version of some crapware that was installed with another program. It could also be some form of Malware, according to Nictasoft (no idea who they are)- http://www.nictasoft.com/ace/md5/4C03A217AD0BE77682DAF6F2F80182F4. I wouldn't consider it a false positive, unless you talked to Kaspersky about the file (due to the symbol next to it). Conduit is a toolbar search, so that may be what was found?
 

Huang Ray

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How much did you pay total?

Do you need to pay month or yearly? or it's one time payment?
 
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