Viewing Raw files

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Hi all,
what's good sotftware for viewing and editing raw files?

Joe

 

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Here are two...

The Adobe Photoshop family.

Paint Shop Pro.

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"stator" <fullcamo@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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| Hi all,
| what's good sotftware for viewing and editing raw files?
|
| Joe

 

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>Here are two...
>The Adobe Photoshop family.
>Paint Shop Pro.

Thanks Dave,
I have photoshop but I think it needs a plugin for raw files.
In any case, photoshop doesn't recognise the raw file.

Joe

 

[Paul]

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stator wrote:
>>Here are two...
>>The Adobe Photoshop family.
>>Paint Shop Pro.
>
>
> Thanks Dave,
> I have photoshop but I think it needs a plugin for raw files.
> In any case, photoshop doesn't recognise the raw file.
>
> Joe


Yes you'll need to go to the adobe web site & download the appropriate
plugin. No guarantees it'll work for your version of PS or to what
extent but the newest version is really an excellent RAW conversion utility.

 

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stator <fullcamo@NOSPAMgmail.com> writes:

> Hi all,
> what's good sotftware for viewing and editing raw files?

There are quite a few RAW converters (bibble, C1, ACR are names I've seen in
addition to photoshop). Often times the manufacturer also provides some free
software to view and convert RAW files.

On the free software side of things, GIMP and the plugin UFRaw (based on the
dcraw program) can handle many different types of RAW files:

http/www.gimp.org
http/ufraw.sourceforge.net/
http/www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw/

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That's why I stated the Photoshop family. There are so many versions and variations it is
hard to keep track of.

http/www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/cameraraw.html

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"stator" <fullcamo@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in message
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| >Here are two...
| >The Adobe Photoshop family.
| >Paint Shop Pro.
|
| Thanks Dave,
| I have photoshop but I think it needs a plugin for raw files.
| In any case, photoshop doesn't recognise the raw file.
|
| Joe
|

 

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Hi,

Thanks for all the good information here about Camera RAW.

I use PS 8 and PSE 3 to work with RAW files (from Fuji S7000 camera) on
my Mac. Mac users may also open RAW files with Graphic Converter
program.

Current MacWorld magazine (March 2005) has good article on RAW by Bruce
Fraser. For excerpt of his book goto:

find.macworld.com/0216

Best,

Conrad



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[Paul]

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Conrad wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Thanks for all the good information here about Camera RAW.
>
> I use PS 8 and PSE 3 to work with RAW files (from Fuji S7000 camera) on
> my Mac. Mac users may also open RAW files with Graphic Converter
> program.
>
> Current MacWorld magazine (March 2005) has good article on RAW by Bruce
> Fraser. For excerpt of his book goto:
>
> find.macworld.com/0216

http/www.macworld.com/2005/01/downloads/cameraraw.pdf

 

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Conrad wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for all the good information here about Camera RAW.
>
> I use PS 8 and PSE 3 to work with RAW files (from Fuji S7000 camera) on
> my Mac. Mac users may also open RAW files with Graphic Converter
> program.
>
And, as of iLife '05, in iPhoto. I just did so to see if it would handle
20 D RAW files, and it did.

--
John McWilliams

 

[Paul]

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paul wrote:
> Conrad wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks for all the good information here about Camera RAW.
>>
>> I use PS 8 and PSE 3 to work with RAW files (from Fuji S7000 camera) on
>> my Mac. Mac users may also open RAW files with Graphic Converter
>> program.
>>
>> Current MacWorld magazine (March 2005) has good article on RAW by Bruce
>> Fraser. For excerpt of his book goto:
>> find.macworld.com/0216
>
>
> http/www.macworld.com/2005/01/downloads/cameraraw.pdf

Awfully slow loading, be patient.

"With digital captures, darkening is a much safer operation than
lightening, since darkening forces more bits into the shadows, where our
eyes are sensitive, while lightening takes the relatively small number
of captured bits that describe the shadow information and spreads them
across a wider tonal range, exaggerating noise and increasing the
likelihood of posterization. With digital, you need to turn the old rule
upside down—you need to expose for the highlights, and develop for the
shadows!"

 

[Paul]

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paul wrote:

> Conrad wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thanks for all the good information here about Camera RAW.
>>
>> I use PS 8 and PSE 3 to work with RAW files (from Fuji S7000 camera) on
>> my Mac. Mac users may also open RAW files with Graphic Converter
>> program.
>>
>> Current MacWorld magazine (March 2005) has good article on RAW by Bruce
>> Fraser. For excerpt of his book goto:
>> find.macworld.com/0216
>
>
> http/www.macworld.com/2005/01/downloads/cameraraw.pdf

another quote:

"The Brightness and Contrast controls affect the rendering tone curve
controlling the conversion from linear-gamma ProPhoto RGB to the final
gamma-corrected output space. They work completely differently from
the Photoshop controls that share their names—Photoshop’s Contrast
and Brightness. They behave similarly to Photoshop’s Levels and Curves,
respectively (Brightness is a gamma adjustment, Contrast is an S-curve)
but with one important difference. The Camera Raw controls use an
algorithm that preserves the original hue, whereas hard curve
adjustments to the composite RGB curve in Photoshop can cause slight hue
shifts."

 

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John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:

> Conrad wrote:
> > Thanks for all the good information here about Camera RAW.
> >
> > I use PS 8 and PSE 3 to work with RAW files (from Fuji S7000 camera) on
> > my Mac. Mac users may also open RAW files with Graphic Converter
> > program.
>
> And, as of iLife '05, in iPhoto. I just did so to see if it would handle
> 20 D RAW files, and it did.

iPhoto 5 converts the RAW files to jpeg, and then only lets you
manipulate the jpeg. If you tell it to open the image in an external
editor, it will send the *jpeg* to the editor, rather than the RAW file.

It's better than not handling RAW at all, but still not a professional
solution.

For that: iView MediaPro. It does what you'd expect.

Mac OS X users can compile dcraw and use it straight up. There are also
some GUI wrappers for dcraw, including dcraw-x
<http/www.frostyplace.com/dcraw/> and RAW Developer
<http/www.iridientdigital.com/products/>.

 

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Paul Mitchum wrote:
> John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>>Conrad wrote:
for all the good information here about Camera RAW.
>>>
>>>I use PS 8 and PSE 3 to work with RAW files (from Fuji S7000 camera) on
>>>my Mac. Mac users may also open RAW files with Graphic Converter
>>>program.
>>
>>And, as of iLife '05, in iPhoto. I just did so to see if it would handle
>>20 D RAW files, and it did.
>
>
> iPhoto 5 converts the RAW files to jpeg, and then only lets you
> manipulate the jpeg. If you tell it to open the image in an external
> editor, it will send the *jpeg* to the editor, rather than the RAW file.
>
Good distinction to make. I don't know how, or if, I will use iPhoto in
the future, besides creating albums for viewing on mac.com, and then
it'd be likely that I'd have already done any editing in PS prior to
putting them into iPhoto.

I am very happy with the PS CS RAW plugin, and one day I will try again
with C Pro.

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John McWilliams

 

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In message <AfCdneFZEvoUDZbfRVn-tw@speakeasy.net>,
paul <paul@not.net> wrote:

>> http/www.macworld.com/2005/01/downloads/cameraraw.pdf
>
>Awfully slow loading, be patient.
>
>"With digital captures, darkening is a much safer operation than
>lightening, since darkening forces more bits into the shadows, where our
>eyes are sensitive, while lightening takes the relatively small number
>of captured bits that describe the shadow information and spreads them
>across a wider tonal range, exaggerating noise and increasing the
>likelihood of posterization. With digital, you need to turn the old rule
>upside down—you need to expose for the highlights, and develop for the
>shadows!"

The voice of reason, coming from a magazine, of all places!

There is still hope!
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Hi,

The article about handling RAW files in MacWorld (March '05) was
written by Bruce Fraser. It is excerpted from his Peachpit Press book
on the same subject. I've ordered the book after reading chapter 2
on-line.

www.find.macworld.com/0216

Best,

Conrad


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Conrad