canon v. adobe raw

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i just got a canon 20d and they have a cd with their software to work
with raw files; i also have photoshop 8 - any suggestions as to which
is better?

tia ...

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<pshaw@emmet.com> wrote in message
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> i just got a canon 20d and they have a cd with their software to work
> with raw files; i also have photoshop 8 - any suggestions as to which
> is better?

The Canon software is rather crude by comparison.
I personally prefer Capture One to Photoshop's RAW conversion, but some feel
just the opposite. ALL (in my experience) prefer either of these to Canon's
RAW coversion. About the only thing I use Canon's RAW converter for is to
quickly extract jpeg files from imbedded RAWs for quick viewing after
capture.
 
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pshaw@emmet.com wrote in message news:<lmpqq0955cv848eoqhfplq5bu4644mbaee@4ax.com>...
> i just got a canon 20d and they have a cd with their software to work
> with raw files; i also have photoshop 8 - any suggestions as to which
> is better?

AFAIK the Adobe Camera RAW plug-in does not *officiall* fully support
20D RAW yet (?)
 
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On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 00:14:39 -0800, "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even
number here)@cox..net> wrote:

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><pshaw@emmet.com> wrote in message
>news:lmpqq0955cv848eoqhfplq5bu4644mbaee@4ax.com...
>> i just got a canon 20d and they have a cd with their software to work
>> with raw files; i also have photoshop 8 - any suggestions as to which
>> is better?
>
>The Canon software is rather crude by comparison.
>I personally prefer Capture One

Capture One reads the raw files from a 20D? DO you use Pro or LE?

> to Photoshop's RAW conversion, but some feel
>just the opposite. ALL (in my experience) prefer either of these to Canon's
>RAW coversion. About the only thing I use Canon's RAW converter for is to
>quickly extract jpeg files from imbedded RAWs for quick viewing after
>capture.
>
>
 

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> Capture One reads the raw files from a 20D? DO you use Pro or LE?


The new OSX version is available now. The Windows version is supposed to be
released at the end of this month.
 
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"ZONED!" <no_email@please_post.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 00:14:39 -0800, "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even
> number here)@cox..net> wrote:
>
> >
> ><pshaw@emmet.com> wrote in message
> >news:lmpqq0955cv848eoqhfplq5bu4644mbaee@4ax.com...
> >> i just got a canon 20d and they have a cd with their software to work
> >> with raw files; i also have photoshop 8 - any suggestions as to which
> >> is better?
> >
> >The Canon software is rather crude by comparison.
> >I personally prefer Capture One
>
> Capture One reads the raw files from a 20D? DO you use Pro or LE?
>
> > to Photoshop's RAW conversion, but some feel
> >just the opposite. ALL (in my experience) prefer either of these to
Canon's
> >RAW coversion. About the only thing I use Canon's RAW converter for is
to
> >quickly extract jpeg files from imbedded RAWs for quick viewing after
> >capture.

I use LE and a 10D.
I believe Annika (Bret) uses Capture One with his 20D though...
 
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On 12/1/04 12:36 AM, in article lmpqq0955cv848eoqhfplq5bu4644mbaee@4ax.com,
"pshaw@emmet.com" <pshaw@emmet.com> wrote:

> i just got a canon 20d and they have a cd with their software to work
> with raw files; i also have photoshop 8 - any suggestions as to which
> is better?
>
> tia ...
>
> steve
I asked a similar question just a few weeks ago and most of the responses
favored either Photoshop or Capture One. I don't have Capture One and last
time I checked their web site it said that the next release would support
the 20D. So, the current release apparently does not support the 20D.
The program that I currently favor is Photoshop, it has more flexibility
than the Canon Digital Photo Professional program. If you do use Photoshop
make sure that you download their latest raw plug-in - while it does not
'officially' yet support the 20D it works just fine on the CR2 raw files.
The Canon program does work OK but I imagine that the only reason that they
make a program like this is first, because some of the major vendors like
Adobe do not yet officially support the 20D and second, not everyone who
buys the camera wants to spend extra money on a major photo editing program.
If you do use the Canon program (and why not try it, it is 'free' with the
camera!) be aware that Canon has just posted a version 1.5 on their web site
for download.
Chuck
 
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On 12/1/04 10:46 AM, in article BDD3515F.ED98%nojunk_wright9@nojunk_mac.com,
"Wright" <nojunk_wright9@nojunk_mac.com> wrote:

> On 12/1/04 12:36 AM, in article lmpqq0955cv848eoqhfplq5bu4644mbaee@4ax.com,
> "pshaw@emmet.com" <pshaw@emmet.com> wrote:
>
>> i just got a canon 20d and they have a cd with their software to work
>> with raw files; i also have photoshop 8 - any suggestions as to which
>> is better?
>>
>> tia ...
>>
>> steve
> I asked a similar question just a few weeks ago and most of the responses
> favored either Photoshop or Capture One. I don't have Capture One and last
> time I checked their web site it said that the next release would support
> the 20D. So, the current release apparently does not support the 20D.
> The program that I currently favor is Photoshop, it has more flexibility
> than the Canon Digital Photo Professional program. If you do use Photoshop
> make sure that you download their latest raw plug-in - while it does not
> 'officially' yet support the 20D it works just fine on the CR2 raw files.
> The Canon program does work OK but I imagine that the only reason that they
> make a program like this is first, because some of the major vendors like
> Adobe do not yet officially support the 20D and second, not everyone who
> buys the camera wants to spend extra money on a major photo editing program.
> If you do use the Canon program (and why not try it, it is 'free' with the
> camera!) be aware that Canon has just posted a version 1.5 on their web site
> for download.
> Chuck
>
Correction to the above - I note that as of today a Capture One version *is*
now available that does support the 20D.
http://www.phaseone.com/
As stated above, I have not used Capture One but would be interested in how
others compare it with Photoshop?
Chuck
 
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"Wright" <nojunk_wright9@nojunk_mac.com> wrote in message
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> On 12/1/04 10:46 AM, in article
BDD3515F.ED98%nojunk_wright9@nojunk_mac.com,
> "Wright" <nojunk_wright9@nojunk_mac.com> wrote:
>
> > On 12/1/04 12:36 AM, in article
lmpqq0955cv848eoqhfplq5bu4644mbaee@4ax.com,
> > "pshaw@emmet.com" <pshaw@emmet.com> wrote:
> >
> >> i just got a canon 20d and they have a cd with their software to work
> >> with raw files; i also have photoshop 8 - any suggestions as to which
> >> is better?
> >>
> >> tia ...
> >>
> >> steve
> > I asked a similar question just a few weeks ago and most of the
responses
> > favored either Photoshop or Capture One. I don't have Capture One and
last
> > time I checked their web site it said that the next release would
support
> > the 20D. So, the current release apparently does not support the 20D.
> > The program that I currently favor is Photoshop, it has more flexibility
> > than the Canon Digital Photo Professional program. If you do use
Photoshop
> > make sure that you download their latest raw plug-in - while it does not
> > 'officially' yet support the 20D it works just fine on the CR2 raw
files.
> > The Canon program does work OK but I imagine that the only reason that
they
> > make a program like this is first, because some of the major vendors
like
> > Adobe do not yet officially support the 20D and second, not everyone who
> > buys the camera wants to spend extra money on a major photo editing
program.
> > If you do use the Canon program (and why not try it, it is 'free' with
the
> > camera!) be aware that Canon has just posted a version 1.5 on their web
site
> > for download.
> > Chuck
> >
> Correction to the above - I note that as of today a Capture One version
*is*
> now available that does support the 20D.
> http://www.phaseone.com/
> As stated above, I have not used Capture One but would be interested in
how
> others compare it with Photoshop?
> Chuck

Both PS and C1 are MILES ahead of the very poor Canon software...
Personally, I find the the workflow in C1 is more logical and accurate than
Photoshop CS. Admittedly, I have used C1 more though, so it could be that
familiarity is bringing better results...so your results may vary. Bottom
line for me at this point is...I have both...and I rarely use CS for RAW
conversion.
 
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>I have not used Capture One but would be interested in how
>others compare it with Photoshop?

I've tried the Big Four (Canon DPP, BreezeBrowser, CS RAW, Capture One) and I
feel I get more accurate colors more easily with C1. For sure the demosaicing
is slightly better with C1 than with CS RAW. Either CS RAW or C1 is a better
choice than the other two, for my needs.
 
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>From: "Mark²" mjmorgan(lowesteven number here)@cox..net

>I use LE and a 10D.
>I believe Annika (Bret) uses Capture One with his 20D though...

No, I use ACR. I don't have Capture One (yet). You still got my address?
 
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On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 17:03:16 GMT, Wright
<nojunk_wright9@nojunk_mac.com> wrote:

>On 12/1/04 10:46 AM, in article BDD3515F.ED98%nojunk_wright9@nojunk_mac.com,
>"Wright" <nojunk_wright9@nojunk_mac.com> wrote:

>>
>Correction to the above - I note that as of today a Capture One version *is*
>now available that does support the 20D.
>http://www.phaseone.com/
>As stated above, I have not used Capture One but would be interested in how
>others compare it with Photoshop?
>Chuck
>
No time to check but it must be the Mac version according to an Email
I received earlier today:

V3.6 which is released for the Mac, and the Windows will be before Dec
20 if
all goes to plan.

You can download from www.c1raw.com .

Regards,

Michael Tapes
Senior Software Consultant, C1 Product Group, Phase One A/S
www.c1dslr.com
President www.RawWorkflow.com (a division of PictureFlow LLC)

Please visit the official C1 RAW conversion Support Forum:
http://www.C1Raw.com
 
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