Opera CEO Says We Don't Need Silly Flash

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Ragnar-Kon

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Or the HTML5-laden YouTube video, if you joined the beta. ;-)

While I do love Adobe products (with the exception of Flash), things aren't looking good for Adobe at the moment. The good news is that they seem to be embracing HTML5 themselves--maybe we'll see some cross-compilers between Flash and HTML5 from the Adobe camp in the future.
 

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[citation][nom]jazn1337[/nom]Flash is showing its age, no doubt about that. However, the world isn't going to change to HTML5 overnight.[/citation] unless if it is pinky and the brain doing the change
 

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I don't like flash-y sites myself, but this article sounds like toms (?) pro-apple propaganda, nothing else. We know for quite a while, what can and what can not be done without flash. Try to "easily" give user feedback about the uploaded files, for example.

And how many users use browsers that fully support HTML5? 0%? Thanks.
 

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Fine... HTML5, CSS, and Javascript can do what Flash can do but... almost any good or fun site uses Flash. So why not just support for both? Flash has been around for a long time and in almost all cases it is not taxing on computers. At least with Flash their's no need to start the plugin like Java. Just support Flash and when Flash flatlines don't support it. Lots of excuses in my book...
 

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Still a lot of Flash movies out there to stop supporting Flash. Think of all the porn movies that will need to be converted.
 

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Flash revolutionized the internet, no doubt about it. It made things interactive back when javascript meant some annoying, lagging snowing-effect on webpages. However, Flash is definately falling behind, I see it used mainly for 3 things: games, video-players, and ads. I don't think us consumers give a rats ass about ads, so that just leaves video and games. Since HTML5 can handle both those things, is open, and doesn't require unnecessary plugins (video codecs aside), it only natural that the web will progress in that direction.

Remember when viewing videos meant installing RealPlayer or QuickTime (or worse, some website's custom spyware)? Now its all flash, and soon, it will all be HTML5. Flash will remain in the games market for some time (I don't think you can just "port" flash to HTML5), but the open HTML5 is simply a better solution to the closed Flash technology.

Think about this, Adobe Flash does NOT support Internet Explorer 64-bit version (which is really annoying because when applications request IE specifically on Win 7 64-bit, it seems to default to the 64-bit sans-flash version). The bit-depth of the web browser should have nothing to do with the content displayed. That's sort of the opposite purpose of the internet.
 

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JavaScript is just as bad as Flash Mr. Lie.

And Opera, while the most used is also the worst browser on the market. So lets not really look to them for inovation, kay?
 

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Funny how HTML5 is the buzzword right now when the new 'standard' isn't actually finalized to a standard!

Flash sure has its issues but it has also been revolutionary, HTML5 and flash will complement each other for a long time to come... plus, webmasters - who's going to spend time converting all those flash ad's :) (note: at time of writing there are 3 on this page).
 

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Sure Flash has problems and as with any product that becomes dominant its more vulnerable to attacks based off its high usage. All these attacks against Adobe though is rather pathetic of small people (like Opera) once more trying to get on the national tech news stage by siding with Apple in the argument.

Flash has turned into crap lately and if you ask me it started after Flash 4.0, but Apple? Pssh they are even crappier and so are their opinions. The more I keep hearing these absurd attacks against Adobe to get attention from the Media capitalizing on the issue, the more I side with Adobe.

Adobe should take note from Microsoft. You own the industry with entertainment development. Halt CS5 for a year or two from the Mac platform and mark my words by CS6 Steve Jobs will quit being the selfish asshole he is.
 

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For me, Java games have usually been much slower than flash games. This is especially true when Java has to boot up first.

Also, I have flash block, so I do not care about how much flash is on a site.

I want to know how to make quick easy games without flash.
 

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I have the no flash load plug in enabled in firefox. I just got so sick of the obtrusive flash advertising on sites. It's a god send. if I do want to view the flash content it's just a mouse click without having to reload the entire page.
 
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