[MODDING] Is ti possible? Use Macbook Air motherboard in Powerbook case

[Mamaun]

Hi,

I have an old Powerbook G4 17" and I want to mod it. My idea is to buy a broken Macbook Air / Pro laptop and use its motherboard on the Powerbook's case.

Will I be able to use the G4 screen on the Macbook Air motherboard?
How about the battery?
And the keyboard/trackpad?


Thanks!

 

[Cristi72]

Hello,

Each MAC generation is completely different from the previous one, so a direct change is not possible. You'll have plenty of space inside the G4 case, but the displays are not interchangeable; they use a different connector, and the retroillumination is different: G4 has a CCFL display (you'll need to find a way to power the inverter, and you'll lose the ability to regulate the brightness), while Air uses a LED display.

The battery: the connectors are the same, but the data signals are different, so you'll not be able to properly charge the old one.

As for the keyboard/trackpad: internally they are the same, but the wiring is different, so you'll need to modify the connectors.

 

[Mamaun]

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Thanks for the response!

It seems that I'll have to work hard on this mod
Where can I find this kind of information (wiring, signal, displays...)?

For the keyboard/trackpad i understand that the only problem is to find a way to connect the old connector to the newer one.

The battery: Is there a way to find an adapter or make a diy embedded circuit to be able to properly charge the old one? If there isn't a way, can I use a Mackbook Pro compatible battery?

The Display: It's a shame not being able to regulate the brightness. Can i use a controller board, find a way to power it, and plug in to the external monitor of the Air?


Sorry about my english.

 

[Cristi72]

...

Thanks for the response!

It seems that I'll have to work hard on this mod
Where can I find this kind of information (wiring, signal, displays...)?

For the keyboard/trackpad i understand that the only problem is to find a way to connect the old connector to the newer one.

The battery: Is there a way to find an adapter or make a diy embedded circuit to be able to properly charge the old one? If there isn't a way, can I use a Mackbook Pro compatible battery?

The Display: It's a shame not being able to regulate the brightness. Can i use a controller board, find a way to power it, and plug in to the external monitor of the Air?


Sorry about my english.

You must dig very hard; the bitten fruit is quite secretive with their tech, so your best bet is the DIY community (ifixit, macrumors, macrepaircentral, etc).

I guess you could try to fit a MacBook PRO / Air battery pack into the original G4 battery case; the case may be smaller, but the newer cells are also smaller, so it may work.

The idea for using the display is good, you'll need a LVDS-to-VGA adapter:
http/www.ebay.com/itm/Universal-LCD-LED-Controller-Board-Kit-VGA-to-LVDS-12V-5A-Power-Supply-Adapter-/181514013027

 

[Mamaun]

Thanks.

For the display, can I use a CCFL to LED adapter?

I found some here:

http/www.iccfl.com/index.php?cPath=205

 

[Cristi72]

Thanks.

For the display, can I use a CCFL to LED adapter?

I found some here:

http/www.iccfl.com/index.php?cPath=205

No, your old display is CCFL-based, so you'll need an inverter (a CCFL needs high voltages, in excess of 2000 V).

That adapter is useful for someone wanting to change the tubes from an old display with LED strips.

 

[Mamaun]

I see... Any solution to control brightness?

Thanks for your help.

 

[Cristi72]

I see... Any solution to control brightness?

Thanks for your help.

It seems that the ebay module is capable to adjust brightness, contrast, colour, etc. using the push-button interface. To be sure, please contact the seller for more information. Also, provide him with the exact Powerbook display model, to be sure the adapter will work as intended.

 

[Mamaun]

Thanks!. I will look to a good solution and see if i can mod the old G4

 

[Mamaun]

I have to find a way to power then LCD controller either from battery or from mainboard. Any suggestions?

 

[Cristi72]

I have to find a way to power then LCD controller either from battery or from mainboard. Any suggestions?

You can use a DC/DC step-down converter connected to the supply; when the AC adapter gets disconnected, the CCFL inverter will be powered through the battery instead through the converter (you can use an electromagnetic relay). The real trick is to find the Power ON signal from the motherboard and to make sure that, when you'll power OFF the laptop, the CCFL inverter will also be shut down (a transistor connected in series with the electromagnetic relay will do).

Irrespective of the solution, you must factor in the additional power consumption, so you may need a bigger AC adapter (if you have a 65W adapter, you'll need to change it for an 85W one).

 

[Mamaun]

I all would be much easier if i find a CCFL Macbook

What's the point of using a Macbook Air motherboard with a 20W aditional power consumption from the LCD workflow...

Or maybe it's possible to attach a Macbook Pro 17 LED display to my G4?

 

[Cristi72]

I all would be much easier if i find a CCFL Macbook

What's the point of using a Macbook Air motherboard with a 20W aditional power consumption from the LCD workflow...

Or maybe it's possible to attach a Macbook Pro 17 LED display to my G4?

Well, the point was to use the original display. Fitting an original Macbook display in your G4 case will give you the best compatibility, but the cost will ramp up (you'll still need to find ways to fit the motherboard/battery in the old case and extend the cables), so you'll end up paying more money than you'll pay for a fully fledged MacBook Pro/Air, with its original case/looks.

EDIT: the consumption will not be 20W higher, more like 8-10W, but the smaller adapter will be overloaded.

 

[Mamaun]

I have 3 options:

1) Use an old motherboard with CCFL "compatibility".

2) Use LVDS-to-VGA adapter

3) Buy a LED display and change the CCFL one.


I don't think the costs will be excessive:

- 0€ G4 enclosure
- 99€ Display
- 10€ Inverter
- 150€ Broken Macbook Air (w/o SSD)
- 60€ compatible charger
- 70€ compatible battery

I'm missing something?



Will an A1181 motherboard be compatible with my G4 display and battery? This would be a very cheap option

 

[Cristi72]

Summing up your list, you'll pay 390E for the components only, components you will not be able to test upon arrival. You will need to find a way to extend the display/keyboard/pad cables, to fit the new battery in the old G4 battery enclosure, to adapt the motherboard to the old G4 case (including a way to connect the battery to the new motherboard)...

The costs are not excessive, but you can find a fully functional Macbook Air (13" variant) at 450-500E, and a Macbook Pro at 350-400E (15") / 400-450E (17"), or even cheaper if you like to bid. The modifications of an old G4 will not worth the time/investment and will be a hard sell later. It can be a great DIY project though

What is the price of a functional Air/Pro in your country?

EDIT: A1181 is a motherboard from an early MacBook (2006+), so it will not be compatible with your old G4 display.

 

[Mamaun]

I'm from spain.

Here you can find an old Macbook air for 500€ and a macbook for 400€ too.

But... it's not as fun as making my own Powerbook "Air"

If I could find an Air for 150€ with broken screen only... it would be perfect (Air + Vga adapter)