Pioneer Elite CLD-50 arrived DOA :-(

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Hi all,

I recently purchased a Pioneer Elite CLD-90 that arrived DOA. Well,
the lights on the face illuminate, and there's voltage out of the
video-out and light coming from the toslink-out, but there is no
mechanical activity at all. Tray does not eject, nothing.

I tried opening the player to look for a big "ON/OFF" switch inside
that would magically fix the player, but found nothing (BTW, that's a
joke). I might as well have been a caveman with a cellphone.

I'm wondering who I can send this player to for service. My local
shop, Flanners Audio & Video in Milwaukee, WI will do the repairs, but
they will run about $175 typically (so they say) with a $50 charge
just to look at it (makes sense).

I've read the groups and found two names everyone is probably familiar
with: Kurtis Bahr, and LaserdiscService.com.

Is this price typical for their repair? Anyone out there with a
similar problem with their player that was easily fixed? Anyone know
the location of the magic "FIX IT" button?

Years ago I upgraded my LX-900 with a kit from PrecisionLaserdisc. I
purchased this unit to upgrade it to AC-3 as an experiment to see if I
could build the circuit myself and get it to work.

Thanks,
Tracy Brown

 

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I don't think you have indicated the correct model number. Title says
"cld-50", but message says "cld-90". Many older models are not worth
fixing. The goup would need to know the exact correct model number.

 

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You're right. It was niether. I really F'd that up, didn't I.

It's the CLD-52 Pioneer Elite.

Tracy

On 15 Jan 2005 12:52:40 -0800, "shower_urinator"
<shower_urinator@lycos.com> wrote:

>I don't think you have indicated the correct model number. Title says
>"cld-50", but message says "cld-90". Many older models are not worth
>fixing. The goup would need to know the exact correct model number.

 

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CLD-52 Pioneer Elite
************************

I'll probably never get my money back on it either. The seller tells
me she's started the process with UPS, but I believe that the process
has to start at the recipient's end.

Anyway, I'll be leaving bad feedback with her account as I think this
unit was actually Dead-On-Shipment. I won't buy any other LD player
(or anything else for that matter) on Ebay without seeing pictures of
the proper operation of the unit.

When I ebay somehting, I'm detailed to a fault with many pictures that
are enlargeable. Full disclosure. Not everyone is that way on Ebay.

Thanks,
Tracy

On 15 Jan 2005 12:52:40 -0800, "shower_urinator"
<shower_urinator@lycos.com> wrote:

>I don't think you have indicated the correct model number. Title says
>"cld-50", but message says "cld-90". Many older models are not worth
>fixing. The goup would need to know the exact correct model number.

 

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If you used a credit card, call the credit card company and do a
chargeback. Insurance is to protect the seller. How well was the
laserdisc player packed? Does the box look smashed in or dropped?

I don't think this player would be worth fixing unless you can do it
yourself. The past 3 that sold on ebay went for between $75 - $102.
Why pay more for a repair than the replacement cost?

 

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The seller is the one that has to make the claim as they are the one that
insured it and packed it. They will want to see the unit and shipping box
with packaging used or the claim will not be honored.

After the claim is over or you need an estimate you could chose either
laserdisc service or myself to look at it. The biggest difference is this
is a hobby for me so I don't stock parts and turn-around time could be quick
or could take awhile. Laserdisc service does this for a business.

My guess is that if it was packed properly UPS will pick it up from you, the
seller will hopefully have the payment sent to you and you will never see
this unit again. I doubt the repair cost would be less than you paid for
the unit.

Kurtis

"Tracy Brown" <tracyj_brown@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6b5ju09i7v7aqmgei9bdk1qgvpq8ts27df@4ax.com...
>
> CLD-52 Pioneer Elite
> ************************
>
> I'll probably never get my money back on it either. The seller tells
> me she's started the process with UPS, but I believe that the process
> has to start at the recipient's end.
>
> Anyway, I'll be leaving bad feedback with her account as I think this
> unit was actually Dead-On-Shipment. I won't buy any other LD player
> (or anything else for that matter) on Ebay without seeing pictures of
> the proper operation of the unit.
>
> When I ebay somehting, I'm detailed to a fault with many pictures that
> are enlargeable. Full disclosure. Not everyone is that way on Ebay.
>
> Thanks,
> Tracy
>
> On 15 Jan 2005 12:52:40 -0800, "shower_urinator"
> <shower_urinator@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>>I don't think you have indicated the correct model number. Title says
>>"cld-50", but message says "cld-90". Many older models are not worth
>>fixing. The goup would need to know the exact correct model number.
>

 

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File the complaint with paypal. You will get your $$$ back.

--Leonid

Tracy Brown <tracyj_brown@yahoo.com> wrote:

: CLD-52 Pioneer Elite
: ************************

: I'll probably never get my money back on it either. The seller tells
: me she's started the process with UPS, but I believe that the process
: has to start at the recipient's end.

: Anyway, I'll be leaving bad feedback with her account as I think this
: unit was actually Dead-On-Shipment. I won't buy any other LD player
: (or anything else for that matter) on Ebay without seeing pictures of
: the proper operation of the unit.

: When I ebay somehting, I'm detailed to a fault with many pictures that
: are enlargeable. Full disclosure. Not everyone is that way on Ebay.

: Thanks,
: Tracy

: On 15 Jan 2005 12:52:40 -0800, "shower_urinator"
: <shower_urinator@lycos.com> wrote:

:>I don't think you have indicated the correct model number. Title says
:>"cld-50", but message says "cld-90". Many older models are not worth
:>fixing. The goup would need to know the exact correct model number.

 

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Don't feel too bad. I got ripped by an ebay seller last month on a Pioneer
CLD-79. I paid too much for it to begin with and then it came DOA. I paid
through a personal check. The seller even enclosed a video tape to show how
"well" the unit performed before he shipped it. An obvious way to cover your
tracks.

I'm done buying anything off eBay. The scumbags have really taken it over.

"Tracy Brown" <tracyj_brown@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6b5ju09i7v7aqmgei9bdk1qgvpq8ts27df@4ax.com...
>
> CLD-52 Pioneer Elite
> ************************
>
> I'll probably never get my money back on it either. The seller tells
> me she's started the process with UPS, but I believe that the process
> has to start at the recipient's end.
>
> Anyway, I'll be leaving bad feedback with her account as I think this
> unit was actually Dead-On-Shipment. I won't buy any other LD player
> (or anything else for that matter) on Ebay without seeing pictures of
> the proper operation of the unit.
>
> When I ebay somehting, I'm detailed to a fault with many pictures that
> are enlargeable. Full disclosure. Not everyone is that way on Ebay.
>
> Thanks,
> Tracy
>
> On 15 Jan 2005 12:52:40 -0800, "shower_urinator"
> <shower_urinator@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>>I don't think you have indicated the correct model number. Title says
>>"cld-50", but message says "cld-90". Many older models are not worth
>>fixing. The goup would need to know the exact correct model number.
>

 

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Bernie,

If you use a credit card through paypal, you have recourse for DOA
items. You can initiate a chargeback with the credit card company and
get your money back. Sellers get charged an extra $10 for every
chargeback, so they are more willing to refund.

 

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Leonid Makarovsky wrote:
> Sometimes there're no places to buy such rare LD players other than
> ebay.

I know of only a handful of people that I would trust with shipping a
high-end LD player -- Kurtis, Nicolas, Josh, and Kevin come to mind
immediately. I don't know if Duncan sells players, or not, but I'm
sure that he would know how to ship one if he did.

Most of the yokel sellers on eBay wouldn't know how to double box a
player even if you gave them specific instructions to do so. For the
two players that I bought on eBay, I asked the sellers if they were
willing to double box the player with lots of packing peanuts in
between the two boxes. Both said, "yes." Otherwise, I would have
passed on them.

HTH,

-Junior

 

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Bernie Woodham wrote:
> Yeah, I know. I'm just bitter about getting ripped. I'll cool off.
> But, I'll be a lot more careful about the next high price item I buy.
Did you at least give the seller a neg?

-Junior

 

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In article <1105900145.302346.37630@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
watsona@kenyon.edu says...

> Most of the yokel sellers on eBay wouldn't know how to double box a
> player even if you gave them specific instructions to do so.

Most sellers on eBay can't seem to manage to pack laserdiscs correctly,
let alone players.

Dave

 

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Bob Niland wrote:

<much advice regarding eBay... snipped>

Wow! THE Bob Niland... The guy who convinced be to purchase a
CLD-3070 many years ago. I still have the player (albeit augmented
with an AC-3 RF output), and it still works great!

-Junior

 

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Bob Niland wrote:
> I've started hanging out here because I may need to buy
> a new TV in the near future, and may find that I can get
> a deal on a w/s LCD that lacks a scaler (so LBX LDs
> aren't displayed optimally).
>
> So, I'm keeping an eye out for discussions on low-cost
> scalers that do a decent job.

I'm looking at a Samsung DLP set that has the Faroudja DCDi
deinterlacer. I'm going to take my CLD-3070 or my CLD-1010 to Best Buy
one of these days and hook up the composite into the set to see if the
set displays the signal well. If it does, then I'll be $2,500 poorer.


-Junior

 

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> unclejr <watsona@kenyon.edu> wrote:

> The guy who convinced be to purchase a
> CLD-3070 many years ago.

Mine's been in storage for several years, along with
my entire collection. And yes, my CLD-3070 still has
the random auto-shutdown probem.

> I still have the player (albeit augmented
> with an AC-3 RF output), and it still works great!

I've started hanging out here because I may need to buy
a new TV in the near future, and may find that I can get
a deal on a w/s LCD that lacks a scaler (so LBX LDs
aren't displayed optimally).

So, I'm keeping an eye out for discussions on low-cost
scalers that do a decent job.

--
Regards, Bob Niland mailto:name@ispname.tld
http/www.access-one.com/rjn email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com
NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.

 

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Bernie Woodham <birnhamwood@insightbb.com> wrote:
: Don't feel too bad. I got ripped by an ebay seller last month on a Pioneer
: CLD-79. I paid too much for it to begin with and then it came DOA. I paid
: through a personal check. The seller even enclosed a video tape to show how
: "well" the unit performed before he shipped it. An obvious way to cover your
: tracks.

That's a very interesting point. So you're saying: "if you get screwed on ebay,
it's ok as long as other people get screwed"? And if are the only one who got
screwed, then you should feel bad?

Sometimes there're no places to buy such rare LD players other than ebay.

--Leonid

 

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"Leonid Makarovsky" <venom@csa3.bu.edu> wrote in message
news:cseag7$798$3@news3.bu.edu...
> Bernie Woodham <birnhamwood@insightbb.com> wrote:
> : Don't feel too bad. I got ripped by an ebay seller last month on a
> Pioneer
> : CLD-79. I paid too much for it to begin with and then it came DOA. I
> paid
> : through a personal check. The seller even enclosed a video tape to show
> how
> : "well" the unit performed before he shipped it. An obvious way to cover
> your
> : tracks.
>
> That's a very interesting point. So you're saying: "if you get screwed on
> ebay,
> it's ok as long as other people get screwed"? And if are the only one who
> got
> screwed, then you should feel bad?
>
> Sometimes there're no places to buy such rare LD players other than ebay.
>
> --Leonid

Yeah, I know. I'm just bitter about getting ripped. I'll cool off. But,
I'll be a lot more careful about the next high price item I buy.

 

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"The seller's part is finished first -- he or she is done when the
buyer's payment is received, and the item is shipped."

I disagree. The seller's part may not be done at this point. The
buyer may not be satisfied. The seller may need to do a partial
refund, file an insurance claim or authorize a return and then refund
upon inspection.

The buyer may not know how to operate the item and incorrectly claim
the item does not work. The buyer may try to return a different
defective item in place of the one that was shipped. If the buyer used
a credit card, they may wait a few months and then initiate a charge
back.

The buyer needs to inform the seller that they received the item and
that they are satisfied by leaving the seller positive feedback first.

 

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> shower_urinator <shower_urinator@lycos.com> wrote:

> The buyer needs to inform the seller that they received
> the item and that they are satisfied ...

Agree. Buyer can do this via email, phone, SMS,
carrier pigeon or candygram.

> ... by leaving the seller positive feedback first.

Disagree.
Let the seller post FB first.

Speaking as someone who does more selling than buying
on eBay.

--
Regards, Bob Niland mailto:name@ispname.tld
http/www.access-one.com/rjn email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com
NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.

 

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On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 11:34:31 -0600, Bob Niland <email4rjn@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>> shower_urinator <shower_urinator@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>> The buyer needs to inform the seller that they received
>> the item and that they are satisfied ...
>
>Agree. Buyer can do this via email, phone, SMS,
>carrier pigeon or candygram.
>
>> ... by leaving the seller positive feedback first.
>
>Disagree.
>Let the seller post FB first.
>
>Speaking as someone who does more selling than buying
>on eBay.

I agree. When the seller has the money, what's he got to
beef about?

I buy and sell on ebay. I believe when the buyer makes the
payment, the seller should leave feedback immediately. When
the buyer receives the item, and all is well, feedback for the
seller should follow.

There are knuckleheads in every situation, but the majority of
sellers on ebay are honest. Out of 1000 transactions, possibly
5 have been a negative experience for me. And I came out on
top on 4 of those. I waited too long on that one.

The key is to act quickly when the seller or buyer is not living
up to the terms of the auction.