Xbox 720 Won't Play Used Games; Wii U Better Than X360

[geminireaper]

[citation][nom]edvinasm[/nom]It just boggles my mind seeing how xbox 360 being 6 times slower (on GPU processing) than AMD 6670 1GB DDR5 can have so much punch. Time for PC game coders to wake up, anyone? What good is GTX 780 and AMD 7970 if the games are resource hogs?[/citation]
what are you talking about? PC games have much better picture quality and sound than their cut down craptastic console ports. Either that or they make the console version first and then are so lazy they just port it to the pc without any quality improvements.

 

[Borisblade7]

Glad i dont play on those awful consoles anymore, ill stick to my PC and not deal with the ditatorship that the consoles maintain to tell you how to game and what you can do. They should be serving me not the other way around.

 

[leaderWON]

Who didn't see this coming? It ALREADY happens on live, psn, steam etc. You can't share downloaded games you buy off of xbox live. They are tied to your account. If i want to play Scott Pilgrim on my friends xbox i have to be signed in on his box for him to be able to play also. Its dumb to implement this with physical discs, but just like when people sell/share steam accounts a work around will be possible...

 

[kal326]

[citation][nom]edvinasm[/nom]It just boggles my mind seeing how xbox 360 being 6 times slower (on GPU processing) than AMD 6670 1GB DDR5 can have so much punch. Time for PC game coders to wake up, anyone? What good is GTX 780 and AMD 7970 if the games are resource hogs?[/citation]
It called optimization, console devs know exactly what they have to work with and exactly how it's going to work every time with each console and it's not just the graphics portion of the the code. PC games have to support an almost endless list of possible configurations, consoles have to support 1 per platform.

 

[kal326]

I must say I am fully in support of this, as long as the games cost $20 or less. I didn't buy Battlefield 3 at or any time near launch since I couldn't rent it to try it out prior to purchase. So I waited for a few friends to pick it up and give it a shot to get their feedback on the game. Reviews are ok for the main features and such, but they can't always paint anywhere near a complete picture of how the game play is in the wild. I also wasn't going to pay full retail for it since once I used it the multiplayer lock out would most likely drop it's resale value compared to other non locked games. I paid 39.99 for it and it is still selling most everywhere for original msrp. Sure somethings drop in value after you purchase them new, but its not like car manufacturers are building cars so that as soon as somebody sells them everything in the interior stops working except for the speedometer, but for a nominal fee the second owner can enable the hvac, radio, and other power accessories.

 

[dragonsqrrl]

[citation][nom]eklipz330[/nom]lol good one. everyone knows thats not true. it'll be fine, theyll manage to run at 1080p and most of their games at 60fps. the current xenos is trash, but up until a couple years ago, it was chugging along just fine. every new gen they say the same thing. "oh specs suck its gonna suck after a year, it wont run shit, no one will buy it, its a flop"[/citation]
Actually that really wasn't true for the 360. Xenos was fairly high-end for its time, even by gaming PC standards. The situation would certainly be different if the next xbox does in fact use an HD6670 in 2013, seeing how it's a low-end card from 2011. If this is the case, the two generations are not at all analogous in terms of relative GPU performance.

 

[dimar]

I'll be getting the next gen console whichever has most powerful hardware.

 

[dragonsqrrl]

[citation][nom]dimar[/nom]I'll be getting the next gen console whichever has most powerful hardware.[/citation]
At least right now, it's looking like the Wii U and next Xbox are just about on par in terms of GPU performance.

 

[bustapr]

i hope they really use a more powerful graphics processor on it. though Id like to point out, alot of people here are saying crap about the 6670 in a console, please remember the 360 has an x1900(?) processor in it. Can a single x1900 play games on pc the same as the 360 can? Not a chance. Its more similar to the 8800/8600 in pc performance. I have no doubt the 6670 would run games pretty close to the same performance as a 6850 on pc.

Also, what ever happened to what AMD said a while ago about the next xbox having a dual gpu processor?

 

[dragonsqrrl]

[citation][nom]hannibal[/nom]Well one thing is that hd4870 would be manufactured today in different scale than it was manufactured 4 years ago. 40 nm vs. 90 nm.[/citation]
The HD4870 was 55nm. And the rumors I've read indicate that Nintendo may use a 45nm CPU/GPU, so it wouldn't be a huge shrink.

 

[face-plants]

The fact that you can't buy used games or take a game to a friends house and play on their Xbox 720 is a complete deal-breaker for me. It's not like PC software which could be installed on a million machines without copy protection. The disc itself IS the copy protection. When you don't want to play the game any more you should have the right to pass it on to someone else.

IMO just another reason why I think the only good console is a modded console.

 

[Guest]

simple, if my theory holds: the game has a portion of the medium to be tagged to the first xbox player it plays by etching a finger print if you will. when the disc is enter into reader, the system has a check point to verify the print before proceeding. I maybe wrong but I still think its a good idea if it has not been implemented

 

[alextheblue]

[citation][nom]lashabane[/nom]This is nothing but a rumor of a rumor.Put your torches and pitchforks down.[/citation]
No! I read it on the internet! It must all be true!

lulz

 

[Djhg2000]

And there goes the Xbox.

 

[Guest]

Upgradeable RAM that's all I have to say. It's the biggest limiter of Consoles right now is the punning 512 MB of RAM. If they had just 2 GB on the console RIGHT now think of what they could do for maps, cities and details since they would not need to stream it all. I will buy the console that has a lot of Ram and the ability do up grade in the future. Oh wait that is my BF3 PC .. XD

 

[alidan]

[citation][nom]choji7[/nom]Actually, consoles RARELY render at 720p. Most of the time consoles run a bit lower than that(what the game renders at is completely up to the developer) the console's GPU then upscale the image to 720p resolution. This allows games to render at much lower resolutions and use a bit lower texture quality (and less textures overall).This approach is fine for many people because they don't really notice, other people do notice this trick they use though. Overall, what they're doing is fine as long as whoever plays consoles only plays consoles. If any console players also own a decent PC, they'll notice a difference like night and day.[/citation]

take a look at dragon age on the console, the textures were horrific. even if they rendered that game at lower than 720p i still noticed the horrific textures,

right now, polly counts dont bother me, but textures... wow do they constantly stick out when they are bad... at least to me.

 

[joescalon]

I really hope this isn't close to being true. I have almost only used gamefly for my 360 for the past couple years. My 360 is almost only for my wife, except for the few good games. I will not pay 60 bucks for some pile of crap that my wife thinks would be fun in co-op. Money back guarantee me every game will be the best one ever or let me rent them.

 

[demonhorde665]

[citation][nom]climber[/nom]The reason is simple, the intellectual property belongs to the developer not the end user, you perhaps own the media, the optical disk, though I'd say their lawyers would say you long term lease it or something, since at some point the console hardware will die and your disk obviously won't work. Publicly traded corporations, have an obligation to their shareholders to return value to them first and foremost. This fact incentivizes their business practices to find any and all ways to not only maintain their quarterly share price but increase it. So, we are now in a world of monthly subscriptions for virus software, then internet security suites and then all software will go this way, since this means guaranteed monthly income for the company, also they, if not explicitly requiring it, encourage the end user to upgrade, which at some point will be manditory. After a couple versions of mandatory updates, then you will have to upgrade your hardware or not use the software. If it gets to the point where there is no physical media at all and all software isn't downloadable as installation files on your computer and only cloud based, then we'll be forced into upgrades, not just to stay compatible with anyone else, but simply to use for ourselves. Some would say we're already there. Yes I got off topic, since it started with gaming. But the overall theme is simple, developers each and every year are "squeezing the package", if you know what I mean, and yes I'll stop using technology completely before they have a direct withdraw from my bank account and I'm just a formality.[/citation]

that is a BS excuse , what about books ??? i few software more in this light , you buy a book , while you have NO rights in regards to the ideas , and written works , you do have a right to resale the "physical" book. the game indsutry comes along and all of a sudden think they some magical rights that extend beyound other indutries , some one needs to kick thier a-- and kick it really hard legally over this

 

[merusal]

> The Xbox 720 will reportedly feature a system preventing used games

Another part of the entertainment industry is strangling its own market by treating their customers as enemies, instead of creating intelligent solutions. Assuming our legislation survives these suicidal industries' attempts to browbeat or corrupt our law makers (see SOPA, ACTA etc.), let them kill themselves. They deserve the Darwin Award they have coming up (http/www.darwinawards.com), and I am positive that the millions of creative people whose work you see each day on public platforms will create something new and better.

 

[belawrence]

[citation][nom]dimar[/nom]I'll be getting the next gen console whichever has most powerful hardware.[/citation]


For the current generation that was supposed to be the PS3 - look how that turned out for them. In fact this is the first gen where Sony (allegedly) has the most powerful platform, but is/was also the least successful in terms of sales.

Hardware capability/Sales:

Sega Saturn < PSOne < N64. Sales winner = PSOne. Yes I know, Sega fans, Saturn was a beast when it came to 2D sprite-based games but unfortunately for them 3D polygonal games were the new "hotness" of the day which, face it, the PSOne was better at.

Dreamcast < PS2 (slightly) < Gamecube < Xbox 1. Sales winner = PS2 - mostly because Sega quit, and Sony's hype machine ("emotion engine", stating capability of rendering "Toy Story" like environments real time), as well as being a lot of people's first DVD player.

Wii < XBox 360 < PS3 (debatable). Sales winner = I'm calling XBox 360 as even though the Wii holds the current lead, I believe the X360 is going to pass it sales wise as it has the most momentum currently, and everyone who wanted a Wii already has one.

Also, I could care less which system is most/least powerful, as I play games for the games themselves, not what system they're for. I tend to own all systems of a current generation.