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VNP.
This pathetic excuse for "protecting the children" won't do much, and is an epic waste of $45+ million(?).
Too many people here are ignorant of the net and pretty much everything associated with it. As randomizer said, the big companies (Telstra and Optus, etc) feed these people dodgy plans and they accept it because they don't know any better.
I wonder how much uproar there will be if a tube made of red (heh) gets blocked...
This pathetic excuse for "protecting the children" won't do much, and is an epic waste of $45+ million(?).
Too many people here are ignorant of the net and pretty much everything associated with it. As randomizer said, the big companies (Telstra and Optus, etc) feed these people dodgy plans and they accept it because they don't know any better.
I wonder how much uproar there will be if a tube made of red (heh) gets blocked...
This headline is incorrect Australia DOES NOT want to censor the internet. A single moron in the government does. 9 out of 10 people surveyed on this are opposed in our country. Additionally there have been protests across the country from ISPs and citizen's alike. Methinks this govt wont be re-elected if this gets forced through.
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[citation][nom]kato128[/nom]This headline is incorrect Australia DOES NOT want to censor the internet. A single moron in the government does. 9 out of 10 people surveyed on this are opposed in our country. Additionally there have been protests across the country from ISPs and citizen's alike. Methinks this govt wont be re-elected if this gets forced through.[/citation]
Just clicked back into this topic to suggest the exact same thing.
One tard in the government, and a few ignorant "head up ass" pareants, want this censoring crap to go ahead. The majority of people with an IQ higher than a rock don't.
Just clicked back into this topic to suggest the exact same thing.
One tard in the government, and a few ignorant "head up ass" pareants, want this censoring crap to go ahead. The majority of people with an IQ higher than a rock don't.
[citation][nom]kato128[/nom]This headline is incorrect Australia DOES NOT want to censor the internet.[/citation]Titles often get changed by editors before publishing, including this one. However I think what you are saying is only partially correct. Those who are opposed include:
1) Those who know anything about the technical feasibility of this filter.
2) Those who know what else it could be used for even if it is feasible, besides protecting children.
3) Those opposed to everything the government does.
You know who support it, so I'm not going to rant about minority groups all day. But the general population probably don't care, or don't see a problem. Ignorance is the problem.
Those protests you refer to, have any been successful? I read that the March in March protest was a failure with a small turnout. Although I didn't look for any concrete information about the day.
I am not sure about re-election. I think Kevin Rudd's little slip of the swearing tongue last week, as well as the well-earned nickname Keven-747, would make a bigger impact on most people than what some IT "nerds" say this filter will do; or the "tinfoil hat" people for that matter. Mum and dad don't care about network throughput, nor do they car about conspiracy theories of government control. They want to "protect" their children and that is what Kevin said he would do on TV, so that's fine by them.
Additionally, the Coalition have been in power for a long time before now, so it is unlikely that Australians we switch back so quickly. Australia doesn't like political changes much, just look at how long NSW has let the Labor government destroy the state. Yet they re-elect them every time.
1) Those who know anything about the technical feasibility of this filter.
2) Those who know what else it could be used for even if it is feasible, besides protecting children.
3) Those opposed to everything the government does.
You know who support it, so I'm not going to rant about minority groups all day. But the general population probably don't care, or don't see a problem. Ignorance is the problem.
Those protests you refer to, have any been successful? I read that the March in March protest was a failure with a small turnout. Although I didn't look for any concrete information about the day.
I am not sure about re-election. I think Kevin Rudd's little slip of the swearing tongue last week, as well as the well-earned nickname Keven-747, would make a bigger impact on most people than what some IT "nerds" say this filter will do; or the "tinfoil hat" people for that matter. Mum and dad don't care about network throughput, nor do they car about conspiracy theories of government control. They want to "protect" their children and that is what Kevin said he would do on TV, so that's fine by them.
Additionally, the Coalition have been in power for a long time before now, so it is unlikely that Australians we switch back so quickly. Australia doesn't like political changes much, just look at how long NSW has let the Labor government destroy the state. Yet they re-elect them every time.
Methinks they'll care once news and other things get censored as being inappropriate content, they're internet speeds slow to levels of 10 years ago and they start paying more for a slower service. The thing is us "IT nerds" will say told you so just like y2k, then some pollie will step up and take the legislation away (just like what happened with the Australian workplace agreements debacle) and we'll be back at square one.
I do agree that bringing the liberals back wont fix it. Sounds like we need a viable alternative govt here coz both parties are rubbish.
I do agree that bringing the liberals back wont fix it. Sounds like we need a viable alternative govt here coz both parties are rubbish.
For all the Americans that say this kind of shit doesn't happen at home, already forget about the Patriot act?
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[citation][nom]hillarymakesmecry[/nom]If I were in the military and ordered to shoot citizens determined to oppose governmental tyranny and oppression I think I'd shoot my commanding officer before laying my life down to protect said tyrants.Hopefully the men in our military are not military drones, but people.I'm in favor of blocking child porn and other nasty bits but blocking most anything else would pretty well irk me.[/citation]
Kent State comes to mind....
Personally, if I feel the need to 'protect' myself from porn, internet gambling or other sites I'll get my own software.
Too bad Conroy isn't in my electorate, he just lost my vote. Hopefully Rudd will pull him into line and give up on this censorship crap for the good of the nation's reputation.
Kent State comes to mind....
Personally, if I feel the need to 'protect' myself from porn, internet gambling or other sites I'll get my own software.
Too bad Conroy isn't in my electorate, he just lost my vote. Hopefully Rudd will pull him into line and give up on this censorship crap for the good of the nation's reputation.
[citation][nom]dbmbe1969[/nom]To sacre:Would you care to site the sources for your assertions? Please, enlighten us...[/citation]
Murders with Firearms. Per Capita
#8 United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people
#20 Canada: 0.00502972 per 1,000 people
#32 United Kingdom: 0.00102579 per 1,000 people
I'll feel safer with gun control, personally.
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I'm not saying America is a bad place, it isn't. The American people are great too, but there are some that make all other countries out to be shit.. and these people are the ones who make America look bad. Unfortunately there are a lot of these types of people, that try to spread their hate by stating if any country other then their own operates differently, that you're not "Free" You don't have proper "rights". Well, if you are one of those who says this.. Get out more? What else can I say.
Murders with Firearms. Per Capita
#8 United States: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people
#20 Canada: 0.00502972 per 1,000 people
#32 United Kingdom: 0.00102579 per 1,000 people
I'll feel safer with gun control, personally.
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I'm not saying America is a bad place, it isn't. The American people are great too, but there are some that make all other countries out to be shit.. and these people are the ones who make America look bad. Unfortunately there are a lot of these types of people, that try to spread their hate by stating if any country other then their own operates differently, that you're not "Free" You don't have proper "rights". Well, if you are one of those who says this.. Get out more? What else can I say.
I'm an Australian, and for a greater part, there is no where else I would like to be. We have a true democratic society, where everyone has to vote (its a good thing, means the ones we actually want to get in, get in, 'cough' George bush) but this 1 guy just isn't listening! It does look like it will be squashed due to a greater part of our politicians not agreeing, and they need a majority vote. A lot of Australian citizens don't want it (I think its over 60% strongly disagree with it), I doubt it will go ahead
I speak for the vast majority of Australians when I say we do not want this! And on the topic of Gun Laws, gun related violence and firearm offences have escalated in this country since the reforms of 1996..
[citation][nom]NO_CENSOR[/nom]I speak for the vast majority of Australians when I say we do not want this! And on the topic of Gun Laws, gun related violence and firearm offences have escalated in this country since the reforms of 1996..[/citation]
I think the increase in offences is more likely due to the fact people are hanging on to guns that are now illegal or selling them to shady people for more than the buy back scheme would pay. I also seem to recall a nation wide pvc pipe shortage around the time those laws came in because people were burying their illegal guns.
I think the increase in offences is more likely due to the fact people are hanging on to guns that are now illegal or selling them to shady people for more than the buy back scheme would pay. I also seem to recall a nation wide pvc pipe shortage around the time those laws came in because people were burying their illegal guns.
[citation][nom]kato128[/nom]I think the increase in offences is more likely due to the fact people are hanging on to guns that are now illegal or selling them to shady people for more than the buy back scheme would pay. I also seem to recall a nation wide pvc pipe shortage around the time those laws came in because people were burying their illegal guns.[/citation]
Exactly. You cannot introduce "gun laws" years into allowing people to obtain weaponry. Really, you make a store down the street "Buy guns!", everyone does.. then 10 years later when nearly everyone has a weapon you say "k no more guns"... this will NOT WORK.. AT ALL.. then when it doesn't, people say "gun control doesn't work" and use this as an example.. this is why Gun control has got a bad rep because they try and introduce it to a country that allowed every citizen to have weapons for years. Of course it isn't going to work.
Exactly. You cannot introduce "gun laws" years into allowing people to obtain weaponry. Really, you make a store down the street "Buy guns!", everyone does.. then 10 years later when nearly everyone has a weapon you say "k no more guns"... this will NOT WORK.. AT ALL.. then when it doesn't, people say "gun control doesn't work" and use this as an example.. this is why Gun control has got a bad rep because they try and introduce it to a country that allowed every citizen to have weapons for years. Of course it isn't going to work.
[citation][nom]sacre[/nom]Exactly. You cannot introduce "gun laws" years into allowing people to obtain weaponry. Really, you make a store down the street "Buy guns!", everyone does.. then 10 years later when nearly everyone has a weapon you say "k no more guns"... this will NOT WORK.. AT ALL.. then when it doesn't, people say "gun control doesn't work" and use this as an example.. this is why Gun control has got a bad rep because they try and introduce it to a country that allowed every citizen to have weapons for years. Of course it isn't going to work.[/citation]
Why wouldn't it work? You could buy laser pointers on every corner and when they became illegal they vanished pretty well overnight. Why can't it be the same with guns?
They were buying guns back off people and giving them a legal way to get rid of those guns so crying poor me is a bit of a cop out there because there was no financial hit. It boils down to people wanting their guns so much that they would break the law. Additionally some of those guns have made their way into the hands of criminals and mentally unstable people and that's why the crime hasn't dropped. All because some people couldn't do the right thing, as usual.
Why wouldn't it work? You could buy laser pointers on every corner and when they became illegal they vanished pretty well overnight. Why can't it be the same with guns?
They were buying guns back off people and giving them a legal way to get rid of those guns so crying poor me is a bit of a cop out there because there was no financial hit. It boils down to people wanting their guns so much that they would break the law. Additionally some of those guns have made their way into the hands of criminals and mentally unstable people and that's why the crime hasn't dropped. All because some people couldn't do the right thing, as usual.
[citation][nom]kato128[/nom]Why wouldn't it work? You could buy laser pointers on every corner and when they became illegal they vanished pretty well overnight. Why can't it be the same with guns?They were buying guns back off people and giving them a legal way to get rid of those guns so crying poor me is a bit of a cop out there because there was no financial hit. It boils down to people wanting their guns so much that they would break the law. Additionally some of those guns have made their way into the hands of criminals and mentally unstable people and that's why the crime hasn't dropped. All because some people couldn't do the right thing, as usual.[/citation]
Well, when people (throughout their lives) are fed that Weapons are a good thing, they protect you, all should have the right to have one. Then you finally obtain one, then 10 years later they say "nope, no more guns". Well, its something you feel you need to keep yourself protected, including your family. Whereas a laser pointer, well, lol.. don't "need" one and it isn't worth going to jail for (but regardless, I see the point you're trying to show). So of course people won't rid of their guns. And Criminals/mental people definantly won't either.
My Opinion, again, i'd love to own a Weapon myself. Good to have locked up for the "just in case" moments ya know? But, I'd much rather not have a gun if it means them Emotionally/Mentally Unstable people won't have one too.
Well, when people (throughout their lives) are fed that Weapons are a good thing, they protect you, all should have the right to have one. Then you finally obtain one, then 10 years later they say "nope, no more guns". Well, its something you feel you need to keep yourself protected, including your family. Whereas a laser pointer, well, lol.. don't "need" one and it isn't worth going to jail for (but regardless, I see the point you're trying to show). So of course people won't rid of their guns. And Criminals/mental people definantly won't either.
My Opinion, again, i'd love to own a Weapon myself. Good to have locked up for the "just in case" moments ya know? But, I'd much rather not have a gun if it means them Emotionally/Mentally Unstable people won't have one too.
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[citation][nom]Thunderfox[/nom]This is all governments do. It is why they exist. There are no inalienable rights. Rights are given by governments, and can be taken away by governments. If you live in a dictatorship then this is a real problem, but if you live in a democracy, then the rights you gain or lose are determined mainly by public consensus. It would seem that the Australian people have not been paying close enough attention to the kinds of people they have been voting for.[/citation]
American rights are just as much under threat these days, we've given up so much since 911 that we can never get back. The problem with this case is similar to any situation when big brother gets involved, giving up is easy... getting it back will require insane reaction by voters and possible riots.
To the guy above who's never been mugged, threatened and etc in your paradise country, I'm happy for you. While this Eutopia you live in sounds wonderful you must realize that crime exists and it doesn't play by the rules of the law. I hope for your sake somebody doesn't some day point a gun at you, but sadly that's the only way you might realize why you need to have the right to guns.
American rights are just as much under threat these days, we've given up so much since 911 that we can never get back. The problem with this case is similar to any situation when big brother gets involved, giving up is easy... getting it back will require insane reaction by voters and possible riots.
To the guy above who's never been mugged, threatened and etc in your paradise country, I'm happy for you. While this Eutopia you live in sounds wonderful you must realize that crime exists and it doesn't play by the rules of the law. I hope for your sake somebody doesn't some day point a gun at you, but sadly that's the only way you might realize why you need to have the right to guns.
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This shit woudlnt fly here
" lets sensor the web so our people an remain stupid "
saddly however ... the average US citizen thinks like this -
"i willing choose to remian stupid ... yeah maw ... the pick up is on cinder blocks ... i donnae know when it'll be fixed don't ask me maw ! "
point being i don't know what's worse the govberment keeping the poeple stupid or half the people choosing to be stupid ???
any one else got an opinion on this ?
" lets sensor the web so our people an remain stupid "
saddly however ... the average US citizen thinks like this -
"i willing choose to remian stupid ... yeah maw ... the pick up is on cinder blocks ... i donnae know when it'll be fixed don't ask me maw ! "
point being i don't know what's worse the govberment keeping the poeple stupid or half the people choosing to be stupid ???
any one else got an opinion on this ?
" But, I'd much rather not have a gun if it means them Emotionally/Mentally Unstable people won't have one too."
You see the problem with your logic is that you think that this would somehow stop the criminal from obtaining weapons. If guns were removed from the equation it would be bows and knives that would need to be 'controlled'. The problem is simply this, trying to make gun control laws (or a more easier to understand concept for some of you all i imageine, DRM) only hurts the lawabiding citizen, it will never hinder the criminal.
You see the problem with your logic is that you think that this would somehow stop the criminal from obtaining weapons. If guns were removed from the equation it would be bows and knives that would need to be 'controlled'. The problem is simply this, trying to make gun control laws (or a more easier to understand concept for some of you all i imageine, DRM) only hurts the lawabiding citizen, it will never hinder the criminal.
[citation][nom]frozenlead[/nom]Where's Randomizer?And since when is it the governments responsibility to choose the environment children live, work, and play in? Isn't that parents' jobs?[/citation]
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